Australian Dual Citizens Entering UK after February

[transpactraveller]

At least the ABC is correctly saying "denied travel" (by the airline) whereas that SMH one is incorrectly saying "refused entry" to the UK.

You'll find out at check in if the airline is willing to let you on. It's not like you would fly all the way there and be turned around at the border.

 

[Noah Count]

You'll find out at check in if the airline is willing to let you on. It's not like you would fly all the way there and be turned around at the border.

This is a risk I am willing to take later this week. As I see it and my mad thinking:

1. Denied boarding in AU, it is a through flight - trip is now off.
2. Allowed to board to the Middle East and then denied boarding onwards boarding to the UK. I will spend a few days there and then come home.
3. Not allowed entry on arrival in the UK, I have to suck up the cost, fly back to the Middle East or some other place and get back to the Middle East for the return to AU (booked) and I am willing to deal with this.

The trip this week is only for a few days so I am willing to risk it. I have a bigger trip in a few months with the family and if I need to replan that now rather than later so be it.

 

[transpactraveller]

The outrage has now also reached the Canadians.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/dual-canadian-british-citizens-scrambling-under-new-passport-rules-9.7099400

Ironically Canada already has this rule in place for their own dual citizens (unable to get the Canadian ETA and must use a Canadian passport), so it's surprising that the Canadians are so surprised about the UK now doing the same!

 

[MEL_Traveller]

This is a risk I am willing to take later this week. As I see it and my mad thinking:

1. Denied boarding in AU, it is a through flight - trip is now off.
2. Allowed to board to the Middle East and then denied boarding onwards boarding to the UK. I will spend a few days there and then come home.
3. Not allowed entry on arrival in the UK, I have to suck up the cost, fly back to the Middle East or some other place and get back to the Middle East for the return to AU (booked) and I am willing to deal with this.

The trip this week is only for a few days so I am willing to risk it. I have a bigger trip in a few months with the family and if I need to replan that now rather than later so be it.

Option 3 can’t apply.

If you are a UK citizen and you arrive at the border you cannot be refused entry. Even if you turned up with no paperwork at all.

Will be interesting to hear your experience at the airport in Australia. That is, does your ETA remain valid (or get cancelled), and does check-in ask any questions beyond the ETA.

 

[Noah Count]

Option 3 can’t apply.

If you are a UK citizen and you arrive at the border you cannot be refused entry. Even if you turned up with no paperwork at all.

Will be interesting to hear your experience at the airport in Australia. That is, does your ETA remain valid (or get cancelled), and does check-in ask any questions beyond the ETA.

Thanks for the info, AFAIA AU have similar laws. I knew when I was in the ADF I could not be denied entry back into AU and on a RAAF flight back into AU many, many years back there were some on who had left their offical PP in the UK in error. They took a little more time to process but in the end customs gave up and let them in as we were all on the same flight. In my mind I'm not a UK citizen but based on what has been published I may well be. I did check my ETA today and results came back as being AU not UK. If I am asked questions at check-in I will most likely respond in a loose way that does not break the law.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Thanks for the info, AFAIA AU have similar laws. I knew when I was in the ADF I could not be denied entry back into AU and on a RAAF flight back into AU many, many years back there were some on who had left their offical PP in the UK in error. They took a little more time to process but in the end customs gave up and let them in as we were all on the same flight. In my mind I'm not a UK citizen but based on what has been published I may well be. I did check my ETA today and results came back as being AU not UK. If I am asked questions at check-in I will most likely respond in a loose way that does not break the law.

‘Are you a UK citizen?’… answer is ‘no’. It is difficult to imagine the check-in agent is going to ask probing questions around your birth, place of birth, who your parents were, where they were born, when they got married, and where they got married.

They’d need all of that to counter you given you have a valid ETA.

The big question is how much data matching can the UK government do… and could they somehow match you to being british and that you have an ETA. It seems unlikely.

Once you get to the border in the UK, the officer may be a little more savvy. But so what if they are… if they say you’re british then they have to let you in, If not… your ETA stands and you’re in anyway.

 

[Noah Count]

The big question is how much data matching can the UK government do… and could they somehow match you to being british and that you have an ETA. It seems unlikely.

Good question, in the back of my mind the are the 'five eyes', 'three eyes', 'AUKUS' and a few other rules which must be adhered to/complied with and I will not go into any details on.

 

[LondonAussie]

I would imagine if someone were to successfully obtain an ETA despite being British, the airline would be none the wiser.

 

[Noah Count]

The big question is how much data matching can the UK government do… and could they somehow match you to being british and that you have an ETA. It seems unlikely.

For the record I am not a spook I just happen to know some of the most senior officers in the ADF. Was it planned, no, they just happened to live next door at Duntroon or what ever that Navy system academy it was they were on the same course be it ADFA, RMC, JSC or IOC.

 

[stu961]

‘Are you a UK citizen?’… answer is ‘no’. It is difficult to imagine the check-in agent is going to ask probing questions around your birth, place of birth, who your parents were, where they were born, when they got married, and where they got married.

They’d need all of that to counter you given you have a valid ETA.

The big question is how much data matching can the UK government do… and could they somehow match you to being british and that you have an ETA. It seems unlikely.

Once you get to the border in the UK, the officer may be a little more savvy. But so what if they are… if they say you’re british then they have to let you in, If not… your ETA stands and you’re in anyway.

As you say, it's about what can they can data match!! it's not hard to think of a lot of permutations and combinations of what would be extremely difficult/impossible to data match via a check in counter. Immigration in UK is a different subject, lateral thinking can happen there.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

For the record I am not a spook I just happen to know some of the most senior officers in the ADF. Was it planned, no, they just happened to live next door at Duntroon or what ever that Navy system academy it was they were on the same course be it ADFA, RMC, JSC or IOC.

I wasn’t thinking that lol. But was thinking if you are involved in any of those projects - which would ordinarily require security clearances - while you’d still get in to the UK as a citizen, providing incorrect information could affect your clearance.

If you’re not involved in any of that, I’m not sure whether five/three eyes/Aukus would extend to the complete swapping of personal information for all aussies to the uk and vv. The UK has strict rules on data sharing. They didn’t even want to provide it to the USA as part of APIS IIRC.

 

[Zero]

Ironically Canada already has this rule in place for their own dual citizens (unable to get the Canadian ETA and must use a Canadian passport), so it's surprising that the Canadians are so surprised about the UK now doing the same!

Canada has a process for people with another visa-exempt citizenship to be approved to fly there on the other passport. Canadian/US citizens can also just use a US passport as Americans are exempt from Canadian eTAs, although those with a US criminal record might be denied entry if they can't prove their Canadian citizenship.

Dual Canadian citizens need a valid Canadian passport - Canada.ca

Dual Canadian citizens need a valid Canadian passport

www.canada.ca