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That's what I thought - yet I've definitely heard it a number of times on international flights for sudden severe turbulence and I don't recall ever seeing a FA take anything other than a FA seat. However I can't remember the specific airlines in question; I'm usually in one of the smaller cabins, so probably fewer free seats and shorter distance to FA seat.
 
Ah, does "immediately", mean 'immediately'?

It really does mean immediately. Lock the carts, and sit in the nearest seat, or even wedge themselves into a gap.

I've never used it, BTW. Well, not for turbulence....

I've heard it once, the FA sat straight down in the nearest empty seat (turns out it was next to me), this was despite the fact the jump seat was only a couple of rows ahead.
Had a good conversation for 10 minutes with the FA until the light went off again. It was pretty bad (according to the pax scale) turbulence, and the worst of it appeared to happen before the seat belt light went on, so I get the feeling it was unexpected.
 
I've heard it once, the FA sat straight down in the nearest empty seat (turns out it was next to me), this was despite the fact the jump seat was only a couple of rows ahead.
Had a good conversation for 10 minutes with the FA until the light went off again. It was pretty bad (according to the pax scale) turbulence, and the worst of it appeared to happen before the seat belt light went on, so I get the feeling it was unexpected.

Seen the same on many an EK flight - attendants jumping over PAX to take up middle seats where free and belting up - even when 4 rows behind FA jump seats. Carts locked, one hand on seat headrests front and back of isle and jump over the legs and into the vacant seat and belt up before anyone really knows what just happened.
 
JB, I know that in the Boeings, thrust can be derated by a set figure or Assumed Temp, but on the THRUST LIM page of the FMC, the choice can be made to derate the climb thrust too. This can be done by the pilot or a CLIMB thrust derate can be suggested by the FMC. Going back to your Boeing days, how often would you derate the climb thrust? Would you ever take an FMC 'suggested' Climb derate value or would it only be a pilot inputted derate?
Also, I know that you can derate T.O in the 'Bus by using FLEX, but is any derate available on the climb power? And how is it done if it is available?
Thanks for your time! Joe.
 
JB, I know that in the Boeings, thrust can be derated by a set figure or Assumed Temp, but on the THRUST LIM page of the FMC, the choice can be made to derate the climb thrust too. This can be done by the pilot or a CLIMB thrust derate can be suggested by the FMC. Going back to your Boeing days, how often would you derate the climb thrust? Would you ever take an FMC 'suggested' Climb derate value or would it only be a pilot inputted derate?

In the B777, if a de rated TO was conducted, then a de rated CLB would also follow. Eg, if TO-1 was selected, then CLB-1 was also utilised. This was always the FMC value, we never had to use a different option (that being CLB), mostly because of the places we flew to didn't have climb restrictions that required us to change the CLB thrust.
 
In the B777, if a de rated TO was conducted, then a de rated CLB would also follow. Eg, if TO-1 was selected, then CLB-1 was also utilised. This was always the FMC value, we never had to use a different option (that being CLB), mostly because of the places we flew to didn't have climb restrictions that required us to change the CLB thrust.

Was CLB 2 ever utilised? Or is it a rare occurence that it would be selected?
Thanks!
 

I don't think any of the bings and bongs are options. Just standard Boeing/Airbus.

There's generally some sort of tone associated with any sign coming on or off. I think it's the exit signs that make the noise in the AB in association with the gear retraction/extension. As it can be hard to tell whether it is up or down from the cabin, this gives the cabin crew some additional cues. Some are associated with the phone system. For instance an 'all stations', or CSM call have specific sounds.

It's not a secret code, as made out by some of the articles.
 
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JB, I know that in the Boeings, thrust can be derated by a set figure or Assumed Temp, but on the THRUST LIM page of the FMC, the choice can be made to derate the climb thrust too. This can be done by the pilot or a CLIMB thrust derate can be suggested by the FMC. Going back to your Boeing days, how often would you derate the climb thrust? Would you ever take an FMC 'suggested' Climb derate value or would it only be a pilot inputted derate?
Also, I know that you can derate T.O in the 'Bus by using FLEX, but is any derate available on the climb power? And how is it done if it is available?
Thanks for your time! Joe.

To be honest, I've pretty much forgotten what procedures we used for selection of derated climb thrust in the 747. It was used, but I don't recall the conditions.

In the A380 we have the choice of two different methods of derating for take off. FLEX or fixed derate (i.e. a percentage). We only use FLEX. For the climb we can choose full climb thrust, or 3 levels of derate. All of the derates automatically wash out, and are gone by about FL300. It's standard procedure to select CLB 2 for any weight above 493 tonnes (dunno why that number), and CLB 3 for less. CLB 1 or no derate may be selected at any point in the climb if we want more power. Sometimes ATC crossing heights will need more, but most of the time CLB 2 until it automatically washes out is fine. All step climbs are at full climb thrust.
 
Whilst taxiing out to 34R/16L the other evening in SYD we crossed 07/25 at a reasonably fast pace. Do you need to check with ATC to cross it or is that only required when this runway is operational ?
 
Whilst taxiing out to 34R/16L the other evening in SYD we crossed 07/25 at a reasonably fast pace. Do you need to check with ATC to cross it or is that only required when this runway is operational ?

An aircraft must not enter any runway, whether or not it is in use, unless a specific clearance is given to take off, line up, back track or cross.
 
In the B777, if a de rated TO was conducted, then a de rated CLB would also follow. Eg, if TO-1 was selected, then CLB-1 was also utilised. This was always the FMC value, we never had to use a different option (that being CLB), mostly because of the places we flew to didn't have climb restrictions that required us to change the CLB thrust.

Likewise in the 747, it's typical that a derated TO thrust will be matched with the same derated CLB thrust, but pilot selectable if there's any reason why we may wish for more or less thrust (such as TO2 but calling for full CLB at some stage to meet altitude restrictions). We do however use the TO-2 and CLB-2 combination given the huge range of takeoff weights we operate at, as opposed to other heavy Boeings.

It was very rare that CLB-2 was used. We were usually at a take off weight where TO-1 or TO was used and therefore CLB-1 or CLB would be selected from the FMC.

An example of a a TO2/CLB2 selection (where we'd override any optimum or FMC selections, but back it up with performance data) is below 350 tonne out of LHR, whereas 350-390t calls for TO1/CLB1 and above 390t for TO/CLB.
 
JB and other Sydney operators. I departed there the other evening with what was a first for me in terms of runway configurations after hundreds of departures over the last few years.

They were using runway 25 for a lot of arrivals and some departures. Now in the past when that's been brought into use I've either seen it handling 100% of traffic in extreme conditions or the vast majority with a few heavies departing or landing on 16R.

The other night however there appeared to be a constant stream of arrivals on 25 (when we crossed it there were three aircraft visible on approach), a regular contribution of arrivals and departures on 16R and then we taxied down and departed from 16L so all three runways in use. Is that common? Must be quite a workout for the ATC chaps.
 
I'm assuming that you are a regular on Rex - just wondering whether the Rex crews know what you do for a living?

Yes. Their Albury base is pretty small, so you'll fly with the same crews quite often. Nice bunch.

As an add on question, if there was a mid-air issue on your Rex flight and the flight crew knew you were onboard, would it be of benefit for them to ask you to come to the flight deck? Obviously they'll know you're not "on type" but surely your experience could be useful. Would you offer your services if not asked?

I'm not quite sure how to ask the question the right way...and no matter how many times I changed the draft, it still doesn't look right.
 
As an add on question, if there was a mid-air issue on your Rex flight and the flight crew knew you were onboard, would it be of benefit for them to ask you to come to the flight deck? Obviously they'll know you're not "on type" but surely your experience could be useful. Would you offer your services if not asked?

I have no doubts that the pilots can safely get me from A to B without any interference (or help) from a pilot whose experience is from a vastly different world.

Of course, if they both dropped dead, I could probably do a better job than the hostie, but you never know there either......
 
Sim time again. This one was scheduled to happen about two months ago, but was moved around a couple of times, and then ultimately delayed by the sim going offline for a month. The period offline was to allow for some upgrades. A couple of new systems have been activated (soft go around, which has been in the aircraft for about a year, and 'brake to vacate', which will be activated soon). Also an automated 'upset' system, so that the instructors can throw some quite nasty upsets into the system without have to ask one of us to set it up. It also felt a bit better...more like the aircraft. Like all updated computer systems, it showed a couple of bugs too, but nothing of any consequence.

The exercises were part of new training system that is much less 'sudden' death, and more looking at items in depth, or multiple times. It allows for the instructors to stop and debrief in the middle of the exercises, instead of later when we've totally forgotten what we did anyway. Loading people up is of little value in most exercises, and this moves away from that.

The exercise was all flown at Houston, KIAH. All of the take offs were from 15R, and that requires a special procedure as it's narrower than the normal 380 runway. Basically we take all of the engines up to 30% thrust, then push the inners to TO/GA (or FLX). Then, at 40 knots the outers are pushed up. It's a bit of a hands everywhere exercise, and it's especially fun when one of the outers fails as it winds up. A low speed engine failure can have you off the runway in literally seconds, and is much more of a handful than the high speed case.

FO starts off with a take off, and an engine fails at rotate. Clean it up, and carry out the actions. Over when we decide to restart (or not).

Then straight in to a couple of IPs, instantly positioning the aircraft out at about 15 miles, so that both of us could do a localiser approach. Engine still shut down. Normally we'd use the aircraft FMCs to generate a synthetic glideslope for these approaches, but the CASA matrix required that it be done using a manual pitch mode... FO lands off his approach.

Repeated for me. The take off results in an abort due multiple blown tires. We then get a brake fire, and eventually abandon ship. Engine failure at the same point. The first approach is a go around, due traffic on the runway (they really just want to see 'soft' go around mode used). Repeat it from about half way down, and land.

Now the fog sets in, and it's a low vis package for the next few take offs/landings. Engine failure at low speed and abort. Engine failure at rotate (which is much more fun with very limited visuals). Sort that out. Discuss fuel dump, restart, but they're instantly done by the sim instructor. The particular failure sequence takes away our CATIIIB (no minima capability), so we're limited to 50' radar altitude. You can't see much!. Another approach, and another go around, but this time via the autopilot. Fly the approach again and land.

All engines back, and the weather improves to about a cloud base of 500'. This time we both fly an ILS approach manually, without using the flight directors. Not something you normally do, but there are plenty of failure modes that can lead to it.

A quick setup for the FO, with a two engine approach. We normally practice this is in the hardest case, with both engines out on the one wing, but this was one on each side. It's easier to fly, and has nowhere near the drag (little to no rudder) as well as most systems still working. It's appeared in the Captains matrix a couple of times, so it was time to share it.

Now we jump up to FL250, and try out the 'upset' system. A couple of UA's each, and then when the FO is flying we lose all of the air data (as per AF447). He reacts by basically sitting on his hands. We do the checklist, and tidy things up, but it's really a non event.

Now we go down low to circuit height (1,500'). Instructor drops the aircraft into alternate law (to remove the automatic protections). Roll into a turn to study a golf course, pull the power to idle, and maintain altitude. The aircraft slows rapidly, and we're soon rewarded with 'stall, stall'. Recover and fly way.

Some time left at the end, so we have a look at the brake to vacate system, but this will be the subject of its own sim in a few months. Basically it allows you to pick a target taxiway, and the aircraft will automatically brake to stop at that point. It brakes later, and harder, than we do, so it will take a bit of getting used to. It results in less time on the runway, and cooler brakes.
 
A hypothetical question, if you arrived at the runway end and switched control to the flight management computer would the FMC be capable of a full auto takeoff and climb to assigned flight level ?
 
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