ANZ Platinum, 50k bonus QFF points after $1500 spend, no annual fee first year

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My points are still not showing either in my account summary or in my qff account. Account will have been open 4 months tomorrow. If they aren't showing tomorrow I will call and chase it up.


It is not from how long the account has been open, but 4 months after the $1500 qualifying spend was achieved.

Does anyone know whether once the points show in the CC Internet banking I can cancel the card and have the pts swept immediately? Or do I need to wait until the monthly sweep to QFF before cancelling? EG my pts get swept each month around the 20th. If the bonus points show next week can I cancel and have them swept straight away or do I need to wait till they are auto-swept on 20 Dec?

Points only get to QFF by sweeping. So wait.

However and I know that I have already said this before, but all those that close their accounts ASAP are helping to train the Banks to not repeat these offers.
 
However and I know that I have already said this before, but all those that close their accounts ASAP are helping to train the Banks to not repeat these offers.

I agree, but it's been going on for years, people signing up for bonus offers then closing the account.... usually when I cancel and they ask why I tell them "because that's what you want me to do, you structure offers for new customers but don't offer things to existing customers so the only conclusion I can come to is you want me to keep moving between your products..." But i usually keep the card for nearly 12 months...
 
The reality is that the percentage of people who abuse these banking promotions is minuscule in the scheme of things. A few of us points nerds signing up and then cancelling as soon as the points hit would have no influence whatsoever over the appetite of banks to offer these promotions IMO. They're all about weight of numbers and the vast majority of sign-ups would keep the card for an extended period.
 
...the vast majority of sign-ups would keep the card for an extended period.

I think this is accurate. While of us here are intelligent enough to manage our finances in a way that we benefit from cards rather than get stuck with them, statistics show this isn't the case. Most people will be carrying balances for a long time and the banks will continue to benefit from them, far more than the costs they incur due to us.
 
The reality is that the percentage of people who abuse these banking promotions is minuscule in the scheme of things. A few of us points nerds signing up and then cancelling as soon as the points hit would have no influence whatsoever over the appetite of banks to offer these promotions IMO. They're all about weight of numbers and the vast majority of sign-ups would keep the card for an extended period.

Don't get me wrong, as I am most definitely a "points nerd", or points-runner as I call it, and probably do this better than most ( I don't have a business to create points via spend-but good luck to those that do).

Reality or the status-quo is changing. It always has, and always will.

However knowing how these marketers operate I have often successfully "trained" them to give me more offers of various kinds. Some call me lucky, I don't. The advent of Business Intelligence and Analytics Software has made this easier if one understands how they work.

Banks are also ramping up their BI capabilities and your past behaviour with all its patterns and trends, will in the future affect you more and more. For example did you know that through this that banks are now starting assess your credit risk based not just on yourself, but on your friends?

With BI the ability to just be lost in the "weight in numbers" is rapidly changing. The ability to run filters and set rules is rapidly improving.

Yes the banks, and others like WOW, the airlines etc will always be concerned with the end result. So opportunities for those at the tail end of the bell-curve who think smarter will always be there. But BI is allowing the smarter players to act smarter. The rules of engagement are changing. A pattern of rapid cancellations will be very easy to pick up for those that add it in.

I will certainly keep taking the offers that suit me to chase my points. But equally I am strategic in positioning my data trail for the modern BI world both now, and probably more importantly for the future. This is both to milk more offers, but also to ensure that the milk keeps flowing.

Don't get me wrong. I will keep pushing the boundaries to collect points. I am just mindful of protecting my data history, and in also projecting a data profile that maximizes my earn/burn in my favour.
 
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That's interesting, but would you explain the how's and where's / connection between the cc applications and, "I am just mindful of protecting my data history, and in also projecting a data profile"?

I am just mindful of protecting my data history, and in also projecting a data profile that maximizes my earn/burn in my favour.
 
Banks are also ramping up their BI capabilities and your past behaviour with all its patterns and trends, will in the future affect you more and more. For example did you know that through this that banks are now starting assess your credit risk based not just on yourself, but on your friends?
Interesting statement but given I have worked in credit risk including being on Industry Working Groups looking at implementation of Comprehensive Credit Reporting, where there has been quite a bit of sharing of practices a bit strange I have not heard of this!

Not to mention that given I have just worked on a Privacy Act project this would appear to breach that act.
 
I'd be interested to know how banks would have the ability to use your friendships as a means of assessing your credit risk. How could they even know who your friends are? Sure there is social media but I have never been asked to provide any form of ID when opening a social media account. Therefore I can't see any way a financial institution could definitely link a social media account to a client.
 
I'd be interested to know how banks would have the ability to use your friendships as a means of assessing your credit risk. How could they even know who your friends are?

They have no way of accurately knowing.
 
I'd be interested to know how banks would have the ability to use your friendships as a means of assessing your credit risk. How could they even know who your friends are? Sure there is social media but I have never been asked to provide any form of ID when opening a social media account. Therefore I can't see any way a financial institution could definitely link a social media account to a client.

They don't know your friends unless you happen to regularly send money to them. Social media companies may well know who your friends are but that doesn't mean they share it with the banks.
 
For example did you know that through this that banks are now starting assess your credit risk based not just on yourself, but on your friends?

Calling BS on this, at least in AU. Unless you guys are giving much more info to your bank than I am, there is no way they know who my friends are. And the people to whom I am transferring money may be friends, but can equally be businesses or just casual contacts. And even that would assume they have an account with the same bank, as they cannot credit check another person for your own loan/CC app.
 
They don't know your friends unless you happen to regularly send money to them. Social media companies may well know who your friends are but that doesn't mean they share it with the banks.

Even if they did share info, they have no way of knowing if who I say I am on Facebook for example is who I really am. Until social media sites start demanding 100pt ID checks on joining (which they never will) then all you are is a name on a screen. The post before mine has called BS on this and I'd be happy to take that view as well in the absence of significant technology advances.
 
Even if they did share info, they have no way of knowing if who I say I am on Facebook for example is who I really am. Until social media sites start demanding 100pt ID checks on joining (which they never will) then all you are is a name on a screen. The post before mine has called BS on this and I'd be happy to take that view as well in the absence of significant technology advances.

Well of course most people don't lie on their Facebook accounts (in fact it's amazing what they share they possibly shouldn't) and of course others post stuff that can identify you but that's another story! This still doesn't make this info available to the banks.
 
Interesting statement but given I have worked in credit risk including being on Industry Working Groups looking at implementation of Comprehensive Credit Reporting, where there has been quite a bit of sharing of practices a bit strange I have not heard of this!

Not to mention that given I have just worked on a Privacy Act project this would appear to breach that act.

I was at a BI Conference last week and this was mentioned by one of the speakers and again as I posted he just said "were starting to use" which can of course mean many things including just assessing what can be done. However to be precise he did not say Australian banks, but just banks and as he was from a global company he may not have meant Australian Banks.

My key point however is that vast amounts of data now exist on all of us, and that more sophisticated tools are now meaning that companies can more and more data mine it in all sorts of ways, and also that the pace of change and capability in what can be done is accelerating. That data can be from many disparate sources, and the new tools have the capability of tying together what can seem unrelated.

Data collected today, and data collected years ago, will be able to be used in more powerful ways as time goes on. A bit like in DNA testing where samples from the past can now be used to identify people.

In terms of this thread looking for churners would be a fairly simple exercise in future for banks. Assessing the success of a campaign may be based on many indicators. One such could be how the cards are used, how long retained etc. Assessing this is now much easier than it used to be. Whether the marketers choose to look, and act, is of course a different question. I have noted that the ANZ Promo Mark 2 has for example already changed from bonus points per new account to, per person. They have also moved to awarding points after the full 4 months rather than quickly. Whether that was just an error on their part (the more likely scenario I would speculate) or noticing that they were get cancellations straight afterwards I do not know.

As for the privacy act many people willingly opt in to things every day without reading the fine print, and many are unaware of the permissions they are giving and the information that they are leaking. This often includes permission for third parties to use the data.

ie Enter competitions where they nominate friends. Sign up to say Zoom Info (which then raids your entire address book for details of your contacts).

I did not mention Social Media, but a lawyer at my work (who is a bit of a privacy nut) refuses to use Facebook due to the concerns on privacy, and the permissions you give to use it.
 
Even if they did share info, they have no way of knowing if who I say I am on Facebook for example is who I really am. Until social media sites start demanding 100pt ID checks on joining (which they never will) then all you are is a name on a screen. The post before mine has called BS on this and I'd be happy to take that view as well in the absence of significant technology advances.

Call in BS if you will. The technology is actually already here. Some companies have already been doing it for a while. The technology is also advancing so that more can be done in the future. How main stream it may become, who knows. But it is something which has already been done.

However from a quick google, here is a link to I think what is a reasonably balanced article from 18 months ago from a reasonable source that explores just the social media aspect...
The 'Social' Credit Score: Separating the Data from the Noise - Knowledge@Wharton

As for credit companies that mine social data for credit assessment, “I don’t know if it’s a good or bad idea. I think it’s going to be inevitable,” Stine notes. “They’re trying to carve out a niche in a market where people haven’t used this kind of information. We’ll find out in a few years if this was a good idea.”

Anyway my remark on friends was only an aside. The individual is already giving financial institutions access to a lot of data. Just from what you provide, banks can learn much. This can be combined with other public data. Comparisons can be made with others, including for predictive behaviours. Big organisations like banks will use this more and more in future.

And of course organisations will continue to stuff up (as I think ANZ have in Mark 1 of this promo), which will provide opportunities for the point runners. This promo should earn me 250K. Thank you ANZ.
 
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Twice that I know of my I have had emails come in from friends who's email address had been 'hacked'. The last one, my friend who had left Aus that I not heard from for years, wrote in broken English that she needed money, that was a bit of a give away. But, it's a worry.

And to stay OT, I still don't have my points swept over from ANZ, although I have been able to see them there for weeks.

They have no way of accurately knowing.
 
And to stay OT, I still don't have my points swept over from ANZ, although I have been able to see them there for weeks.

My points (50k each) were swept for my and my wife's Blacks today after having been there for weeks in my case and for about a week in my wife case. Today is the normal sweep date for our Blacks. A small number of normal points were also swept, and this shows as a separate transaction.
 
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