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Angry pax declines to Raise Reclined Seat During Service...

Moody

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On the topic of reclining, recently flew SIN-Europe outbound on QF A380, return on SQ A350, both in economy.

On the QF A380 flight, the passenger in front of me reclined for the entire flight from basically 5 mins after take off to pre-landing, except when instructed to put seat upright for meals (and I might add wedged their knees up into the back fo the seat in front of them, not sure if this prevented the passenger in front of them from reclining, or whether that pax didn't want to recline, but if they did, a pox on the person in front of me). There is no way I could travel on this flight without also reclining myself (IFE too close, and difficult to get in/out of) and the recline mechanism on the seat was awful, once you pressed the button you went all the way back, quickly. On the return SQ flight, recline more limited and I sat half of the flight watching IFE with my seat upright, even though pax in front had fully reclined. And when any one reclined, seats came back much more slowly. Much better for non-recliners.
Sounds like you scored a Chronic Reclining Aircraft Passenger - probably someone on this forum! There’s no cure and all you can do is hope they get taken out of the gene pool by a truck driver dazzled by their fog lights.
 

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Sounds like you scored a Chronic Reclining Aircraft Passenger - probably someone on this forum! There’s no cure and all you can do is hope they get taken out of the gene pool by a truck driver dazzled by their fog lights.

Haha yes.

But had them on both flights - but on the second it didn’t bother me. A good example of more limited recline on flight #2 and good argument for limiting recline. If people want more recline they can pay for Y+ or J!!
 
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In relation to your last paragraph, I am not sure what you expect CX to do here apart from a template response? The not good enough comment is a tad harsh.
It isn't 'harsh' at all. There's not much room in Y seats on most airlines, so reclining when meals or drinks are being served is a selfish act.
 

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It isn't 'harsh' at all. There's not much room in Y seats on most airlines, so reclining when meals or drinks are being served is a selfish act.
I’m not sure the OP’s comment or my response was in relation to the act of the recliner (which isn’t in question), but actually the speed of response from CX.
 

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Man filmed after allegedly punching woman's reclined seat: Who is in the wrong?


"When the Flight [attendant] came. She rolled her eyes at me and said, "What?" She then told him it was tight back there and gave him rum! She told me I had to delete the video! It's against the law to video on a plane. I asked her name & She gave me a Passenger Disturbance Notice!"
 

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I never ask the person in front of me to raise the back of the seat. I always ask a flight attendant is she would get the passenger to oblige and I have never had a problem doing it this way.
 

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I never ask the person in front of me to raise the back of the seat. I always ask a flight attendant is she would get the passenger to oblige and I have never had a problem doing it this way.
Works quite a lot of the time. Particularly I have found on QF. Some flight attendants are very proactive during meals/drinks service to arrange before serving without needing to ask.

My worst experience was on LH where the guy in front put his seat on full recline before takeoff and left it there until we touched down. I asked 2 different FA, during meal service and during prep for landing and they both said no, he is sleeping, leave him alone!
 

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Man filmed after allegedly punching woman's reclined seat: Who is in the wrong?

Having investigated airline procedure after a similar experience last year, it seems that when it comes to the crunch, airlines assign the rights of private property to the seat itself, ie a passenger can legitimately use the seat for all the functions its possesses. Airlines HOPE that passengers will be civil and polite to each other, but if a determined passenger persists in reclining the seat outside of meal times and night flying, CX (at least) will do nothing except give the complainer a drink. In my case, alas, the drink didn't choke the man in front of me.

The right to enjoy the space implied by buying a seat doesn't enter the equation, and therein is the rub.

Civility being my standard mode, if faced with an abrupt seat in the face, I make a polite request to raise it, which usually works. In cases when it doesn't , the advice of this Forum is to get up frequently, with attendant risk of severely banging and inadvertantly kicking the seat ahead - or to philosophically accept that there are arseholes in this world, and one is sitting ahead on this flight.

Luckily I don't need to recline my seat in daylight non-meals time, so I've never inconvenienced anyone else. If I had a reason, I guess I'd ask the person behind before just doing it, or perhaps ask the crew if a different seat is available.
 

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If the guy had punched the Evil Recliner & chucked her out the airlock, then maybe he'd have been in the wrong. But the scenarios in which the Evil Recliner ain't in the wrong are very very few. FA obviously felt she wasn't empowered to throw the Evil Recliner out the airlock herself, and went with the 2nd-best approach of trying to smooth things over.
 

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Not right or wrong. It’s Y. Lower the expectations and you will have a great flight.
There's a really simple solution. Don't allow seats to recline. If that 3-4 inches recline is the difference between a good flight and bad flight then you don't have any other concerns in life.

Another solution is turn off recline for first 4-5 seats and allow the rest limited recline.

Yes I know there are premium cabins but if your flight hasn't been ruined by a serial recliner your opinion does not matter. There are low lifes out there who think it's ok to slam their seat back with the food trays still out there. And no need to apologise either.

Cabin crew can take the cowardly approach too so no help there.
 

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