Air India B787 crash Ahmedabad

[jase05]

First black box recovered

 

[AIRwin]

Flight number retired:

Air India Ahmedabad – London Gatwick Flight Number Changes — AeroRoutes

Published at 1625PDT / 2325GMT 12JUN25 Air India today (12JUN25) filed flight number changes to its Ahmedabad – London Gatwick service, following the incident of AI171 at Ahmedabad. As of 2310GMT, the airline will replace AI171/172 with new flight number AI159/160, effective 17JUN25 at earlies

www.aeroroutes.com

 

[Quickstatus]

Which one? Will it be sent to the US for analysis?

 

[DC3]

First crash for Air India in 43 years.

We all have our own reasons for no-fly airlines. I just see some others as preferable.

 

[DejaBrew]

Note that you may require a 12 foot ladder to read this opinion piece by David Evans, former Qantas Captain.

I can’t be certain what caused the Air India crash, but there’s one thing my pilot’s eyes can’t ignore

At this early stage, I’m reluctant to label this accident “human error” but it’s worth observing that at around the time the aircraft started its terminal descent into the ground, the undercarriage was still deployed.

www.smh.com.au

 

[DC3]

Which one? Will it be sent to the US for analysis?

Maybe India will do the analysis.

 

[Quickstatus]

The Captain 56 (unmarried no kids) was apparently about to retire to look after his elderly father

 

[DejaBrew]

The Captain (unmarried no kids) was apparently about to retire to look after his elderly father

Richard de Crespigny was interviewed on ABC News this morning and he made the observation that for each fatality, there are an average of 70 people - family, friends etc - impacted. Unsure where he got those averages, but in any case, he was making the point that 240 fatalities means some 17K people around the world affected by the loss of a friend or loved one courtesy of one accident. Even if his average numbers are complete BS, I think the fact remains that the human toll goes far beyond those who sadly lost their lives yesterday.

 

[Quickstatus]

for each fatality, there are an average of 70 people

6 degrees of separation apparently connects everyone to everyone

 

[Princess Fiona]

Air India has never been on my bucket list for some reason. The same with Garuda.

They were on my no fly list since forever. Not because of safety concerns though.

 

[jenib]

This guy posted a better quality video than most uploaded and makes a strong case that the RAT was deployed.

 

[Daver6]

Air India has never been on my bucket list for some reason. The same with Garuda.

We all have our own reasons for no-fly airlines. I just see some others as preferable.

Genuine question. Which would be preferable for domestic flights on India and Indonesia?

Previously I'd choose Vistara and genuinely thought it was a good airline. Great service and new planes too. That's no longer an option.

Same for domestic in Indonesia. I feel Garuda and the best option (from a safety perspective). The rest seem way dodgier from what I can gather.

 

[RSD]

Genuine question. Which would be preferable for domestic flights on India and Indonesia?

Previously I'd choose Vistara and genuinely thought it was a good airline. Great service and new planes too. That's no longer an option.

Same for domestic in Indonesia. I feel Garuda and the best option (from a safety perspective). The rest seem way dodgier from what I can gather.

If you think the airlines are dodgy then wait until you get on the ferries!

 

[Rabs97]

Genuine question. Which would be preferable for domestic flights on India and Indonesia?

Previously I'd choose Vistara and genuinely thought it was a good airline. Great service and new planes too. That's no longer an option.

Same for domestic in Indonesia. I feel Garuda and the best option (from a safety perspective). The rest seem way dodgier from what I can gather.

About 10 million scheduled flights in India in the last decade and 2 fatal crashes. About 5 million in Indonesia and 2 fatal jet crashes.

If you want to make your extremely high chances of survival higher - fly outside of the local wet season, fly to airports with longer runways (overruns are a feature of each nation), fly on jets not turboprops. And somehow avoid ground based transportation in each country, you know where the real risk of a transport related accident is going to occur.

Reminds me of those people who’ve asked if it’s safe to fly a certain airline to Bali but admitted they’ve ridden scooters there drunk with plastic helmets

 

[MEL_Traveller]

This guy posted a better quality video than most uploaded and makes a strong case that the RAT was deployed.

Yes, does sound like it.

For those watching the video, the author has inadvertently picked the wrong seat map.

Air India’s 787-8 has row 11 at the emergency exit, not a business class seat three rows back from the exit as in the video.

 

[Saab34]

If one sets the ALT Capture at a few hundred feet, is this a possible option for what we are seeing here?

Ie takeoff, get to that low height, and the power starts rolling back to maintain, explains the losing power comms. I assume a big heavy twin will struggle at those weights to maintain a few hundred feet if the speed adjustments isn’t all that instant?

 

[AIRwin]

Today's AI171 is cancelled even though it looks like the scheduled aircraft VT-ANC has not operated since 11 June:

 

[Saab34]

Today's AI171 is cancelled even though it looks like the scheduled aircraft VT-ANC has not operated since 11 June:
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Looks like a few 788s have not moved for a few days now

 

[jb747]

The Captain 56 (unmarried no kids) was apparently about to retire to look after his elderly father

Whilst the media were telling us how experienced they were, the Captain apparently had 8,000 hours. That’s very low given his age, and makes me wonder why. The FO on the other hand had 1,000, so not even at the level many airlines would even talk to him. Neither may have any relevance to the outcome, but they’re not high numbers. And, of course, the media may not be able to count, and the numbers could be rubbish.

 

[Quickstatus]

While I was looking more at the humanity side of the story, the pilots appear to have low hours.
I wonder I he came into the industry at a later age. The FO has 1100 but apparently he joined AI 5 years ago??

Do you remember what age you hit 8000hrs

I would like someone with access to The Age to see what Dave Evans (QF32) said over there