Air Crash Investigation

[docjames]

The crews involved in all 3 incidents performed brilliantly and we have them to thank for the fact that in 3 major aircraft incidents in the last 3 years not a single life was lost.

Whilst I agree with the above, there's still some pretty major "incidents"

(cough)
AF447?

 

[Nigelinoz]

Whilst I agree with the above, there's still some pretty major "incidents"

(cough)
AF447?

I don't wish to receive an infraction for off topic posting so I will make this my last comment on the subject.
docjames,Whilst I can see the point you are trying to make,and agree with it,the point I was making was that in all 3 cases I cited above there was a potential for many fatalities and I believe that the actions of the crew in those 3 cases,in keeping their heads and remembering their training meant that no lives were lost,I have no doubt that the fact that they were flying modern,well manufactured jet aircraft also helped but I think the fact that people didn't die in those cases is mainly down to the way the crew performed.
Cheers
N'oz
BTW My comments above don't mean that I had forgotten about the Air France accident,I certainly have not,merely pointing out that BA038,USAIR 1549 and QF32 could have had much worse outcomes.
That ends my comments on the issue and I again apologize for thread drift,I have no desire to turn the thread from one about a TV show to a general one about air crashs.

 

[mvjs]

Thanks for the link!

Great episode. It would be nice if they did one on a QF incident someday.

 

[Oneworldplus2]

Thanks for the link!

Great episode. It would be nice if they did one on a QF incident someday.

I have made this suggestion to the Nat Geo Channel. Fingers crossed.

 

[schomers87]

thanks for the heads up Nigelinoz!

 

[Nigelinoz]

For anyone who missed it on Monday the Hudson River crash episode is being repeated tonight on Nat Geo at 7:30PM AEDT so you only have a few minutes to tune in.
Cheers
N'oz

 

[Nigelinoz]

Monday nights episode is "coughpit Failure"-
"Minutes before they are scheduled to land in Zurich the pilots of a routine passenger flight
can't find the runway,they abort and power up the engines in order to climb but they are
too late"

Sounds like a good episode,National Geographic Channel 7:30PM ADST.
Cheers
N'oz

 

[mvjs]

Monday nights episode is "coughpit Failure"-
"Minutes before they are scheduled to land in Zurich the pilots of a routine passenger flight
can't find the runway,they abort and power up the engines in order to climb but they are
too late"

Sounds like a good episode,National Geographic Channel 7:30PM ADST.
Cheers
N'oz

I wonder why these episodes are not being simulcasted (or indeed shown at all) on the Nat Geo HD channel. I'm sure they would be available in HD?

 

[Nigelinoz]

I wonder why these episodes are not being simulcasted (or indeed shown at all) on the Nat Geo HD channel. I'm sure they would be available in HD?

Sorry mate I don't know the answer,maybe send an email/phone your pay tv provider?.
Cheers
N'oz

 

[tuppaware]

Foxtel is playing the new eps in a different order. Maybe due to local market rather then follow natgeo in the UK.

The Amsterdam eps is now up in HD on youtube if you do the right search.
I use a website keepvid.com to download for later viewing on my media centre.

 

[jb747]

Thanks for the link!

Great episode. It would be nice if they did one on a QF incident someday.

Oh, which would you prefer?
I guess the choice would be QF1, QF30, QF72, or QF32.

Actually, whilst I find these shows to be interesting, they are written for those with terminally short attention spans, and, from the way they repeat themselves, no short term memory. Accuracy is pretty limited too.

But, if you want absolutely accurate, and interesting, read Macarthur Job's works.

 

[Walter_Plinge]

... from the way they repeat themselves, no short term memory.

That's true of many docos on National Geographic Channel. 60 minutes of repeated clips and graphics that could have been done OK in 30 minutes. I guess they buy by the minute so there's an incentive to pad the content with repeats.

Air Crash Investigation is far from being the worst.

 

[jb747]

A little off track, but one 'feature' of some of the ultra modern jets is that they are much harder to operate than the older aircraft if something actually goes wrong. Automation makes life much easier, when it's all working, but, toss in a couple of failures, and the automation is just as likely to call it quits, and drop the bundle back into the pilots laps...but in a package that's harder to operate than in a 'classic'.

 

[jb747]

Going back in the thread a bit...

A mayday call means '**** has really happened. I'm now number one in any queue, and I'm probably not following ATC instructions.' It may also be given if you have people on board who have been hurt, even if the a/c is ok (i.e. a major turbulence encounter).

A pan call means that something has gone wrong, and I may ask for priority or something out of the ordinary.

Either call can be upgraded or downgraded or cancelled.

 

[Walter_Plinge]

A little off track, but one 'feature' of some of the ultra modern jets is that they are much harder to operate than the older aircraft if something actually goes wrong. Automation makes life much easier, when it's all working, but, toss in a couple of failures, and the automation is just as likely to call it quits, and drop the bundle back into the pilots laps...but in a package that's harder to operate than in a 'classic'.

A good show on Foxtel now - Flying Heavy Metal - says the opposite. Watched an episode yesterday about a simulated flight with complete loss of rudder and ailerons. With an older plane this is certain death. With the latest automation and software the plane can be flown and landed almost normally using just flaps and trim controls.

 

[NM]

A good show on Foxtel now - Flying Heavy Metal - says the opposite. Watched an episode yesterday about a simulated flight with complete loss of rudder and ailerons. With an older plane this is certain death. With the latest automation and software the plane can be flown and landed almost normally using just flaps and trim controls.

JB's point seems to be that if things go wrong beyond the point that the automation is able to manage the situation and decides to give up, then the pilots have a tougher job. While the automation is working, your point is correct. But when the problem causes the automation systems to give up, its a whole new ball game as JB says.

 

[NM]

Oh, which would you prefer?
I guess the choice would be QF1, QF30, QF72, or QF32.

I'll vote for QF30. Now I wonder which actor they will use to play the role of Captain .

 

[mannej]

I'll vote for QF30. Now I wonder which actor they will use to play the role of Captain .

Perhaps they should audition on AFF for the cast!


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[Justinf]

JB's point seems to be that if things go wrong beyond the point that the automation is able to manage the situation and decides to give up, then the pilots have a tougher job. While the automation is working, your point is correct. But when the problem causes the automation systems to give up, its a whole new ball game as JB says.

Surely the Flight Centre captain/pilot gets that gig?

 

[gumpy]

They should play ACI during the flight and see how many people freak out. =) Yes i realise it's not allowed...

what would be awesome is if they did a special flight for horror film lovers and played a film like final destination and purposely fly the plane through bad weather...