Advice for a total novice. Confusion over different programs...

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mrbraun

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Hi all,

First post here, hopefully I can become a long term contributor. A lot of good advice here, glad I found it.

In a nutshell here's my situation:

I am currently a Qantas FF and Krisflyer member. Both out of points for years.

I recently took a return flight to Singapore on Jetstar which I believe I can add to my Qantas FF.

I also currently have a Coles Flybuy card. Pretty new.

My dilemma:

I'm looking for a rewards card, and I'm unsure of which program offers better bang for buck. Qantas? Krisflyer? Should I go with Qantas simply because of the points from my recent flight? My monthly spend on a Cc would be in the $2-3000.00 area.

Any tips or experiences for a new guy? Also, can points earned on Cc be combined with Coles Flybuy?

Thanks in advance!
Mrb
 
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You would need to check if in fact you will earn QFF points on a Jetstar flight, as basic economy does not. Did you pay extra for this benefit, or fly Business Class?

Should you choose a FF Program based on just one relatively sort International Flight? = no

There is not a simple answer as to which program, or programs you should belong too as the answere is different for each of us.

You need to work out what is best for you, and this means some hard year reading old threads on this forum, and some googling, to work out what is best for you.

* How often do you have paid tickets? Which airlines?
* You have mention CC spend. At say $30K per year it is not high.
* Are there other ways you can earn FF points and to which programs (ie reading the forum will find ideas....such as Everday Rewards from Woolworths to earn 1 QFF point per $ above $30- this is boosted as they have lots of promos).


For me: I currently collects points as SQ, QFF & VA...and then also with Amex, Vitibank and Westpac Black. I juggle te CC cards to optimise point earn. But I also spend more than $30K per year.

A narrower focus may be best for you.

Read, estimate earn to a several programs and then choose te one or two that you will concentrate on.
 
With a 30k annual spend I would be picking just one program. I am a VA player but if QF is your choice you cannot o past Woolworths Visa and ANZ platenum AMEX and put the other half of the duo "visa " in the drawer.
 
I think the Amex platenum edge converts to kris flyer 3 :1 points per shopping spend just to confuse you.
 
Or a DJ's card which will earn 3 points per dollar at supermarkets and petrol stations.
 
From another thread in another forum, in addition to the good points is post 2

Best Frequent Flyer Program for you
?
The answer to this question depends very much on your personal travel profile and objectives. e.g.
- what is your definition of best?
- do you value miles/points (or equivalent) for redemption over gaining status ?
- what do you want to use the miles/points for (award, upgrade, hotels, what ever)?
- what sort of flight award is of interest (destination, class of travel)?
- are you interested in topping up by paying cash for miles?
- do you fly enough to gain any meaningful status ?
- who and where do you normally fly
- are you primarily a leisure or business traveller?
- where do you live?
- do you have other ways of earning points in the various programs, e.g. credit cards, shopping, etc
- etc, etc, etc

Be very careful about expiry.
Very easy to keep QF points alive in Australia for many at Woolworths (everydayrewards)
http://www.singaporeair.com/registerKFUser.form?showTnC=y#membership
11. KrisFlyer accounts which have activity are valid for 36 months from the end of the month in which the last activity occurred, after which the membership accounts will expire. KrisFlyer accounts which do not have any activity for a period of 18 months since enrolment will expire after that period of 18 months.
http://www.australianfrequentflyer....isflyer/expiry-of-krisflyer-points-27407.html

This is useful:- Airlines and Hotels
 
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Thankyou for all the responses so far. You've all given me plenty to work with, and yes I can see how my personal spending, goals and lifestyle affect which program and card would suit me best.

I suppose generally I was wondering about obvious pitfalls in the programs generally (as pointed out- beware expiry dates) or even between programs. Ie: Do certain programs have inbuilt advantages or disadvantages in comparison to one another or is the only real difference one of personal preference? Do people select VA because of loyalty or simply because they prefer that airline or is there something inherent in their programs/points accumulation/redemption that differs to Qantas.

I am still feeling my way through all of this, so my own goals aren't currently solid. I know that I want my rewards to be in regards to travel and I'm more than willing to pay the remainder or top off points through cash. As for whether I prefer upgrades or free flights or hotels- to me, money saved on any leg of the journey is worth it no matter the specifics. So, points towards accommodation don't seem any more or less appealing than points towards the flight in theory. I suppose it comes down to the specifics: for instance I have read that redeeming points on non economy class flights can be more difficult.
 
And Thankyou for all the Cc recommendations. Some great advice (it's always important to get the individual response to these things rather than just read the bank's copy on their site). Researching and writing up a spreadsheet as we speak ;)
 
Given your earn looks like it will mainly be from credit card spend, I would seriously consider a program that DOES NOT directly credit to one particular airline, but instead accrue in the credit card program and can be transferred to an airline or hotel program when you need. Most of these have VA as a partner, so that gives a domestic option, but many have good international airline partners, and some have hotels too.

I think nearly all, if not all such programs, have no points expiry. Whilst QF cards sound OK especially as there is no points expiry, and you can accrue points from Woolies, for redeeming internationally on QF the points required is often significantly more than most other airline programs (which is OK if you're earning by flying a lot, and getting a bonus because you have status on QF, but if you are just relying on credit cards it can take a much longer time). Anyway something else for you to consider!

Some that come to mind are American Express, Westpac Velocity, and I am sure there are others people can suggest. But if you can get 1.5 QF pts per dollar in one card or 1.5 pts per dollar on another card and that transfer to VA or SQ or MH at 1:1, I'd wouldn't suggest the QF card.
 
Thankyou for all the responses so far. You've all given me plenty to work with, and yes I can see how my personal spending, goals and lifestyle affect which program and card would suit me best.

I suppose generally I was wondering about obvious pitfalls in the programs generally (as pointed out- beware expiry dates) or even between programs. Ie: Do certain programs have inbuilt advantages or disadvantages in comparison to one another or is the only real difference one of personal preference? Do people select VA because of loyalty or simply because they prefer that airline or is there something inherent in their programs/points accumulation/redemption that differs to Qantas.

I am still feeling my way through all of this, so my own goals aren't currently solid. I know that I want my rewards to be in regards to travel and I'm more than willing to pay the remainder or top off points through cash. As for whether I prefer upgrades or free flights or hotels- to me, money saved on any leg of the journey is worth it no matter the specifics. So, points towards accommodation don't seem any more or less appealing than points towards the flight in theory. I suppose it comes down to the specifics: for instance I have read that redeeming points on non economy class flights can be more difficult.

If you are talking mainly about 'domestic' programs, I'm not sure there is a lot of difference between VA and QF and I can't see any 'pitfalls' in one or the other. You can earn and burn on both types of flights to most destinations. I think QFF has more 'non flying' points earning opportunities, and they have more lounges around Australia outside the major ports. But people do have their airline preferences and then its a pretty easy choice of what program to join, notwithstanding it may not have every feature they would want.

QFF also has the advantage as it gets you into the international OneWorld Alliance and to me that is a huge advantage over VA Velocity, notwithstanding VA has quite a few codeshares and other international alliances.

If your horizon is more internationally focused, then for me its definitely a matter of global alliances and where you will probably want to use your points for (eventually). For instance, if you think you'll be flying within continental Europe (as opposed to to/from), then Star Alliance is definitely stronger, especially towards the east. To/from Nth America and Europe both Alliances probably suffice, but on the trip to/from Europe, I think there would be more Y+ and J seat opportunities on Star Alliance with SQ, TG (ex Australia) and LH, TK once you get to Asia - but maybe that point is debatable and SQ is definitely miserly with J Award seats. QF and EK are notoriously difficult to get Award J seats if you don't have status. Don't know about CX or BA.

For myself, even though I cough about them a fair bit, I can't imagine not being on QFF and I do enough work flying that I easily maintain WP status and have LTG (Life Time Gold), notwithstanding I know that AAdvantage is probably a better scheme with all my travelling to Nth America. With several of the USA schemes you can buy points to 'top up' to get to a flight Award points level, so if you want to fly 'free' # sooner rather than later, look for those.

I also belong to Air Canada's scheme, Aeroplan (Star Alliance) which I joined when my clients started flying me to Canada on Air Canada. But I learned the hard way that its an atrocious scheme. I've been meaning to move to UA's scheme, notwithstanding the airline I think is carp.

I've read that Aegean Airways (Star Alliance) makes getting to Gold level with the least flying, so if you want status (lounge access), then use them rather than SQ.

# NOTE: One definite difference between certain airlines and therefore impacting their schemes are 'fuel fines' on 'Award' flights. Qantas has high fees, as does Singapore, LH and in fact most airlines. But a few don't - United comes to mind. of course you can belong to KrisFlyer and get an Award flight on UA, but if you go Star Alliance why not join the UA scheme over Krisflyer, and you can buy points too?

This also impacts on whether you go for a J Award seat or Y. if its Y on Qantas, often the fuel fines will be almost the cost of an economy ticket!! So going for a J seat is definitely preferable.

Sorry there's no cut-and-dried answer, but I hope that helps.
 
Do certain programs have inbuilt advantages or disadvantages in comparison to one another or is the only real difference one of personal preference? .
Yes. There are differences. It does depend on what you want form a program & what you can realistly earn.
There is a big difference between a frequent flyer and a frequent spender getting ff miles by a credit card.

# NOTE: One definite difference between certain airlines and therefore impacting their schemes are 'fuel fines' on 'Award' flights. Qantas has high fees, as does Singapore, LH and in fact most airlines. But a few don't - United comes to mind. Of course you can belong to KrisFlyer and get an Award flight on UA, but if you go Star Alliance why not join the UA scheme over Krisflyer, and you can buy points too?

This also impacts on whether you go for a J Award seat or Y. if its Y on Qantas, often the fuel fines will be almost the cost of an economy ticket!! So going for a J seat is definitely preferable.
AA (currently) does not have surcharges except on BA/IB. MH has high surcharges when I have looked.
When you burn miles its all subject to the t&c's of your ffp, and not the airline you fly on the award. The partner airline routes are worth looking at
 
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