AA and QF JV AUS-US pricing questions

[_TheTraveller_]

I have a question regarding QF and AA's JV and the pricing agreement. I always thought that the JV would mean that at all times prices between AA and QF should not have huge differences on the same routing and all revenue is shared correct? I'm just curious as I've found some interesting routing which produces $400+ difference between the AA fare and the QF fare. Would someone please enlighten me? thanks!

 

[serfty]

Can you give an example -dates, flights etc?

 

[_TheTraveller_]

Can you give an example -dates, flights etc?

Yeah sure. I also apologise its meant to be AUS-US.

The fare I was looking at was SYD-HNL-xLAX-xMEL-SYD

SYD-HNL on the 2/12
HNL-LAX-MEL-SYD 7-8-10/12 (departing HNL at night)

On AA it would price out at around $1297~ vs 1670~ on QF and QF codeshare.Both are AUD.

 

[serfty]

Doing a quick check, the Qantas price is using all QF flight number with a codeshare on the AA flight. It pricing with S class from SYD-HNL and HNL-LAX. For LAX-MEL-SYD it is in Q class.

The AA pricing is Q class all the way on AA flight numbers.

I do see Q class available on E/F for both AA and QF. It may simply be that Qantas are not making Q available in this case for an Oz POS. That does not explain the JV discordance.
Results from ExpertFlyer.com

Flight Availability Search
Departing SYD on 02/12/15 12:00 AM for HNL, Flying QF AA 


                                                                     Frequency
Flight        Stops  Depart             Arrive             Aircraft  Reliability 

QF  3          0      SYD                HNL                332        M,W,F             
                     02/12/15 10:25 PM  02/12/15 11:05 AM            94% / 10m

J9 C9 D9 I5 U0 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N9 Q9 O0 G0 X0 E0

AA (QF) 7359  0      SYD                HNL                330       Su,M,W,F,Sa     
                     02/12/15 10:25 PM  02/12/15 11:05 AM            94% / 10m
J7 D7 I7 Y7 B7 H7 K7 M7 L7 S7 V7 N7 Q7

 

[_TheTraveller_]

Doing a quick check, the Qantas price is using all QF flight number with a codeshare on the AA flight. It pricing with S class from SYD-HNL and HNL-LAX. For LAX-MEL-SYD it is in Q class.

The AA pricing is Q class all the way on AA flight numbers.

I do see Q class available on E/F for both AA and QF. It may simply be that Qantas are not making Q available in this case for an Oz POS. That does not explain the JV discordance.
Results from ExpertFlyer.com

Flight Availability Search
Departing SYD on 02/12/15 12:00 AM for HNL, Flying QF AA 


                                                                     Frequency
Flight        Stops  Depart             Arrive             Aircraft  Reliability 

QF  3          0      SYD                HNL                332        M,W,F             
                     02/12/15 10:25 PM  02/12/15 11:05 AM            94% / 10m

J9 C9 D9 I5 U0 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N9 Q9 O0 G0 X0 E0

AA (QF) 7359  0      SYD                HNL                330       Su,M,W,F,Sa     
                     02/12/15 10:25 PM  02/12/15 11:05 AM            94% / 10m
J7 D7 I7 Y7 B7 H7 K7 M7 L7 S7 V7 N7 Q7

You're right. It is interesting stuff. I wanted to book a upgradable fare anyways but it is interesting to see how the JV plays out. I wonder under which POS would QF open up Q space.

Does anyone know by any chance if fare rules for JVs are suppose to match? Eg: QF and AA both have the sales fare in Q from SYD-LAX-SYD except that AA allows unlimited stopovers in its pricing and QF wants $100AUD per stop over.

 

[juddles]

never ever seek commonality in any flights - the world of aviation is a mysterious beast