744 experience from PER to SYD in J

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QF852 PER SYD 13 JUL 2010 DEP 1430 747 400 SEAT 16A J

I thought I would waste my trans continent (island) trip writing a trip report on the 747 service between Perth and Sydney.

12/07/11

Being on good fare bucket tickets, I decided to waste a handful of points and upgrade to J for my return flight from Perth as it was a 744 service. I made the upgrade request online – the first time I had done this, and not knowing what to expect, I waited with baited breath to see if the request feature worked. It did, request, approval within seconds, and points missing from my account within a few minutes. Seamless and problem free. I went to seat selection and immediately chose 12A. This is my favourite seat in J on a 747, I like the upper deck and the privacy of being forward. Then looking further, I noticed 1A was available. Having a bit of a blonde moment, I couldn’t work out the class configuration of the aircraft (seat 1B should have given it away) and hoping 1A was a F seat, I quickly rechose my seating allocation.

I sent a message to @qantasairlines on twitter asking the class configuration, and then it dawned on me – 1B. First does not have a 1B. I was quickly back on the website and reallocated myself to 12A.

After a facebook post, simongr quickly pointed out that 16A (exit row) was the best allocation, so again a change was applied and 16A it is. My initial thoughts on the upper deck exit rows was tainted due to previously (MEL/LAX) sitting in 16K and finding the seat a bit forward of the window, and the side storage lacking, however, I had made a mental note that the A/B seats were set further back than the J/K seats in row 16, so the decision was put in concrete.

13/07/11

Wandering into the Qantas lounge, I was met by the door dragon who I handed my card to thinking she would give me a boarding pass. She checked my flight details then told me to go into the inside service desk. She was quite abrupt, in fact rude, but having just left a 2 hour meeting where I had been a human punching bag, she had no chance of getting under my skin.

I went through the lounge to the service desk and was issued my boarding pass by a far more pleasant lady. I was due to meet up with thewinchester who was on the same flight, so not knowing where he was seated, I had the lounge lady page “the Winchester”. It did come out “Mr. Winchester”, but the effect was the same, and thewinchester came trotting through the club with a grin pointing out that only another AFFer would do that!

After a chat, and thewinchester fixing a software issue for me, our flight was called and downstairs we headed. Funny enough, thewinchester had 26A – the seat I released when taking the upgrade.

Boarding was fast and I was quickly seated in 16A. The standard pillow, red blanket and J headphones were there for use. As the aerobridge backed off, I was seated with no neighbour, 16J empty and at least half the top deck empty. The two flight attendants were going to have an easy flight – both males and both quite senior.

We got pushed back about 12 minutes after our scheduled departure time, the pilot informing us it was due to tarmac congestion. During the wait, I was offered juice, hot towel and newspapers by a very efficient service team.

We took off using half the available runway – seemingly light load based on the PAX waiting for boarding I saw, and the familiar ding of the seatbelt signs turning off sounded soon after. The flight attendants were quickly around offering drinks; I partook in a ginger beer and nuts, and then settled down with the laptop to write the trip report on the go.

Shortly lunch was being served. My first course was a Pumpkin & Lentil soup. This was served with a dollop of cream and was absolutely delicious. I cannot say enough about the Qantas sourdough and is always a highlight of J meals, and today’s was no exception. The sourdough complimented the soup well as did the Penfolds Bin 07A Chardonnay I had to wash the meal down. Beautiful meal so far, with a champion soup that is going to be difficult to beat.

Next out came the mains. On offer was Pork, Chicken and Salmon. I chose the Pork. This meal was diced shoulder pork cooked in an Italian tomato sauce, with onion, basil, garlic and a few other odds and sods. This was served with green beans and Panella. The pork was wonderful, the taste of the fresh basil through the dish complemented with my Chardonnay will be a dish that enters the munitalP cookbook of must have dishes. The beans were fresh, however had become a little sad with reheating, however, still crunchy. The Panella, this by itself was awful, but once eaten with some of the sauce from the pork, became a wonderful carrier for the previously mentioned tastes.

The efficient service continued, my wine topped off, and service utensils cleaned away. Next out came the choice of ice cream or a cheese platter. I chose the cheese platter which was served with the offer of a desert wine which I declined. I don’t like blue cheese, I should have asked the flight attendant not to serve it, too bad as the strong cheddar was quite nice and two slices would have gone down well.

Coffee was served with Tobleron chocolate, I declined coffee however had a chocolate. Yummo, I knew someone downstairs who would appreciate a choccy, so I went to the galley and asked for a few more to which I was handed the box. So armed with a handful of Tobleron, I wandered down to where thewinchester was seated and handed over the bounty. He seemed happy enough down in the dungeons chatting with his seat (C) neighbour (Paul) about all aspects of AFF – it seems we will have a new member!

The biggest problem with this flight seems is the AVOD - aptly renamed the AVOID. The screen is fuzzy and hard on the eyes – the CSM has rebooted the system once, and announced a second attempt at making it work correctly. I really want to watch the end of the Lincoln Lawyer – I watched this on the way over and ended up missing the last 15 or so minutes due to landing.

I kicked back and finally decided to use the AVOID. Fortunately it had remedied itself, and it wasn’t like watching a 3D movie without the glasses anymore. I finalised the movie I wanted to watch, well at least I started to, then suddenly the seat next to me got occupied – by thewinchester! He had escaped the dungeons, snuck past the guards, and decided to risk life and limb and come up for a chat.

Thewinchester stayed till top of decent, then felt it prudent to sneak back to the dungeons, although I did try and convince him the flight attendants wouldn’t care he was there at that point, his sense of duty lead him away.

The 744 touched down into a gusty Sydney from the ocean side, and we were quickly at our gate ready to disembark. On alighting the aircraft, I quickly raced up to the Qantas lounge to print off a parking voucher, then met up with thewinchester outside after he collected his luggage. A bus ride to the car park, and we were quickly on our way into Sydney to drop him off at his new abode for however long it lasts.
AVOD.

The latest movies available on this flight are:

The Lincoln Lawyer (8/10), Paul (9/10), Limitless, Oranges and Sunshine, Soul Surfer, The Adjustment Bureau, Insidious, Hall Pass, Unknown (8/10), Just Go With It, Cedar Rapids, Mad coughs, Country Song, No Strings Attached, The Dilemma, The Mechanic, Rabbit Hole, The Rite

The Pros and Cons of the flight.

Pros.
  • Food service
  • Food quality
  • Sky-bed seating
  • 747 Aircraft
  • Service overall
  • I saw the end of the movie
Cons
  • AVOD (admittedly this aircraft problem)
  • Pre-flight – no business lounge
  • Exit rows – men stretching and poking their bums at me… ick
  • No amenity kit – a sleep mask would be good
 
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What he said! Saves me bashing out a TR for the most part - but I will to give the Y perspective on the flight.

Y (the dungeons) were fine on this flight, and 26A is a godsend with its bulkhead providing legroom on par with Y+.

As my twitter followers will know, the TT grounding has inflated prices out of PER. The avg. o/w Y ticket will currently set you back AUD350 or 39000pts ASA. This is usually a Y- flex, as the Red-e inventory is pretty much sold out until T-28 when they seem to be releasing those seats back into inventory. I too would have flown J had I had the minimum 36k pts needed for a JASA, as this would have been more economical and provided greater return on investment. There's still loads of JASA inventory available at 44.5k pts for PER-MEL/SYD.

Laughter was also with the page, because only an AFF'er would have someone paged by their forum handle. His computer is an example of why corporate IT generally sucks, a topic we discussed a some length.

Qantas are also claiming to be working on a fix for the atrocious state of the wifi in lounges, which is badly needed as I could only get a stable signal from the paid QF WebConnect AP downstairs.

As usual, the lunchtime crowd left the PER lounge jam packed when I arrived at ~1200. It would have been earlier if I was not held up at security due to packing a pair of sizzers (sp) in my carry-on, and the bag injector deciding to refuse my second bag by timing out thus forcing a trip to the pleb service counter. In fairness, the pleb service lane was being handled much faster than the premium, all though I do still deride that erosion of benefits for QP members.

Taxing out to departure on RWY 03 was awfully long, due to major works to upgrade RWY 06/24 and associated taxiways. This meant that traffic prevented push back for 20min from stand, followed by a 15min taxi clockwise around the top of the airfield, back down past the INT apron before finally lining up the big metal bus and pointing her skywards.

Meals were more than fine down with us plebs, with a chicken option (I didn't listen to what it was as I generally avoid Chicken up in the air), and my selection which was the Beef Teriyaki. Meal was flavoursome, thick sauce, perfectly cooked sushi style rice and wilted spinach. Dessert was an ice cream fruit bar.

The advantage of the bulkhead seas in Y on this craft is that the IFE screen is stowed in the seat and pops out when needed by the pax. The disadvantage is that this has led to a loose connector in my unit causing the screen to go an orange tinge if the arm was pushed all the way back contacting with the seat frame. Quick adjustment put that to rest.

A slight correction to munitalP's post, my seat mate was named Will. He'll no doubt be joining AFF soon as he's slipped down to PS from a once mighty WP, and is also planning a US trip with his wife and two kids (under 3). He had no idea about ASA and Oneworld ticketing options that would help him more effectively use his sizable points balance for the trip.

The chocolates from J upstairs were appreciated, but weren't consumed until post departure as my seat mate and I were were having a very engaging 2hr long conversation due to the IFE troubles. I was about 30min into The Lincoln Lawyer before it crashed the first time, but didn't bother restarting the movie and being anti-social.

As to sneaking past the J Dragons, this isn't hard at all specially when you already look the part for that cabin ;)

Luggage was atrocious on arrival. With five belts and three of them available, I can't for the life of me understand why two flights were placed on the same belt. Combine this with the fact that Priority baggage is as useless as a wet paper towel for drying your hands, and you're waiting for 20min for your bags to come out.

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Sent from my Roman era abcus.
 
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I still go 4A on that plane even though it has been redone inside. Secretly that is the seat where the IFE works every time unless the whole system crashes. It is a habit from going to LAX in first on the 744 that has always worked for me.
4B is probably the best seat if you plan to do a toilet break and dont want to clamber over someone.
 
Good TR - yesterdays PER-SYD 744 was operated byVH-OJD, seems that's it lot in life now to ply the QF581-QF582 airs ...
 
then suddenly the seat next to me got occupied – by thewinchester! He had escaped the dungeons, snuck past the guards, and decided to risk life and limb and come up for a chat.

Nice TR munitalP.

Awesome that thewinchester was able to come up and chat for a bit - do you think the FA's knew, but didn't do anything about it due to status? When I've seen this happen previously there has been no form of leniency on the part of the FA's :)
 
Was on QF581 today to Perth and sat in 29D, premium Economy seats. Very nice surprise indeed. Is this normal on this flight. Found the seat much better than my business class last week on 767 from Syd to Per.
 
Was on QF581 today to Perth and sat in 29D, premium Economy seats. Very nice surprise indeed. Is this normal on this flight. Found the seat much better than my business class last week on 767 from Syd to Per.

Welcome, newsonb.

No, not normal it would seem. Reports here, particularly from those in the know, suggest that QF581/582 is almost exclusively operated by a two class 747.
 
It is normally operated by OJD, if you get another 744, you will get Y+ at a minimum as D is the only 2 class bird left


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Although the majority of flights seem to be on a 2 class 747. There seems to be a bit of a mix. 3 and 4 class 747s have also been used. And a few times an A330 or 767 is used. Particularly on Sundays you seem to have a fair chance of getting something different. For the last 4 Sundays they flew a domestic A330-200, a four class 747, a three class 747 and 4 class 747 again.
 
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OJJ did yesterday's run and is on the case today as well.

OJD has not operated it since last Friday.

Here's the operational history of QF581 since the recent introduction of regular 744 on the route:
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30/05/11        QF581 SYD PER OJS 744 (Skybed)
31/05/11        QF581 SYD PER OJP 744 (Skybed)
01/06/11        QF581 SYD PER OJQ 744 (Skybed)
02/06/11        QF581 SYD PER OJQ 744 (Skybed)
03/06/11        QF581 SYD PER OJQ 744 (Skybed)
04/06/11        QF581 SYD PER OGH 763
05/06/11        QF581 SYD PER OJD 744 (Skybed)
06/06/11        QF581 SYD PER OJD 744 (Skybed)
07/06/11        QF581 SYD PER OJD 744 (Skybed)
08/06/11        QF581 SYD PER OJD 744 (Skybed)
09/06/11        QF581 SYD PER OJD 744 (Skybed)
10/06/11        QF581 SYD PER OJD 744 (Skybed)
11/06/11        QF581 SYD PER OGV 763
12/06/11        QF581 SYD PER OJD 744 (Skybed)
13/06/11        QF581 SYD PER OJD 744 (Skybed)
14/06/11        QF581 SYD PER OJD 744 (Skybed)
16/06/11        QF581 SYD PER OJD 744 (Skybed)
17/06/11        QF581 SYD PER OJD 744 (Skybed)
18/06/11        QF581 SYD PER ZXE 763
19/06/11        QF581 SYD PER OJD 744 (Skybed)
20/06/11        QF581 SYD PER OJD 744 (Skybed)
22/06/11        QF581 SYD PER OJD 744 (Skybed)
23/06/11        QF581 SYD PER OJD 744 (Skybed)
24/06/11        QF581 SYD PER OJD 744 (Skybed)
25/06/11        QF581 SYD PER OGV 763
26/06/11        QF581 SYD PER OJS 744 (Skybed)
27/06/11        QF581 SYD PER OJD 744 (Skybed)
28/06/11        QF581 SYD PER OJT 744 (Skybed)
29/06/11        QF581 SYD PER EBO 332
30/06/11        QF581 SYD PER OJD 744 (Skybed)
01/07/11        QF581 SYD PER OJD 744 (Skybed)
02/07/11        QF581 SYD PER OGO 763
03/07/11        QF581 SYD PER OJC 744 (Skybed)
04/07/11        QF581 SYD PER OJD 744 (Skybed)
05/07/11        QF581 SYD PER OJD 744 (Skybed)
06/07/11        QF581 SYD PER OJD 744 (Skybed)
07/07/11        QF581 SYD PER OJD 744 (Skybed)
08/07/11        QF581 SYD PER OJD 744 (Skybed)
09/07/11        QF581 SYD PER OGQ 763
10/07/11        QF581 SYD PER OJF 744 (Skybed)
11/07/11        QF581 SYD PER OJD 744 (Skybed)
12/07/11        QF581 SYD PER OJD 744 (Skybed)
13/07/11        QF581 SYD PER OJD 744 (Skybed)
14/07/11        QF581 SYD PER OJD 744 (Skybed)
15/07/11        QF581 SYD PER OJD 744 (Skybed)
16/07/11        QF581 SYD PER OGP 763
17/07/11        QF581 SYD PER QPG 333 (Skybed)
18/07/11        QF581 SYD PER OJJ 744 (Skybed)
Here are the 744 Domestic operatations other than QF581/QF582 in that time:
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13/06/11       QF1123 SYD MEL OJT 744 (Skybed)
14/06/11        QF414 MEL SYD OJT 744 (Skybed)
14/06/11        QF431 SYD MEL OJT 744 (Skybed)
14/06/11        QF450 MEL SYD OJT 744 (Skybed)
14/06/11        QF487 SYD MEL OJT 744 (Skybed)
22/06/11        QF768 PER MEL OJD 744 (Skybed)
23/06/11        QF412 MEL SYD OJD 744 (Skybed)
 
Although the majority of flights seem to be on a 2 class 747.
I thought all the 2-class 744s have completed conversion to 3-class quite some months ago. So they may be sold as 2-class, but not operated by 2-class.
 
I thought all the 2-class 744s have completed conversion to 3-class quite some months ago. So they may be sold as 2-class, but not operated by 2-class.
No, OJD missed the cut - I have a feeling it's days in the fleet may be numbered.

ACARs indicate it operated QF127/QF128 on Saturday and QF005 Sunday - A QF006 seat map indicates it's indeed operating a VERY¹ full QF006 this evening into SYD tomorrow (with WHY starting from row 26).

¹ J1 C0 D0 I0 U0 Y0 B0 H0 K0 M0 L0 S0 G0 E0 - note no PE (W/T/R) - I guess QF wanted the additional 41 seats on this beasty.
 
In August last year, Qantas made mention of converting 6 of the two-class 747's

Qantas Chief Executive Officer, Mr Alan Joyce, said Qantas would retrofit six two class Boeing 747s to include 40 Premium Economy seats with the new offering to be available on the Tokyo route from October 2010 and the Frankfurt route from February next year.
About Qantas - Media Room - Media Releases - Qantas Introduces Premium Economy to Japan and Germany


There were 7 such aircraft to choose from, so one of them wasn't planned to get converted.
 
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