$1500 fine for trying to get a J upgrade with MH (numerous times)

[markis10]

Some people just dont get it:

Drunk passenger Khairulddin Mohammad Yahya 'behaved like terrorist'

A MAGISTRATE has told a Melbourne University honours graduate, who had to be handcuffed and then bound to his seat by crew during a flight from Malaysia, that he had behaved like a terrorist.
Khairulddin Mohammad Yahya swore loudly at the inflight supervisor and poked him in the chest before the captain left the coughpit to deal with him.
Melbourne Magistrates Court yesterday heard that Yahya, 22, swore loudly at the supervisor while a passenger told his mother to shut him up because he was frightening people. Prosecutor Aman Dhillon told the court that Yahya repeatedly left his economy seat and sat next to his mother in business class after her requests for his upgrade were refused.

 

[Andyzx]

Another reason why children should not be allowed in J or F (see AO thread) even if they are 22 and act like a two year old.:mrgreen:

 

[TheInsider]

$1,500 is not enough IMO.

 

[ozmille]

If this would have happened on a flight to the US it would be a different story I think...

 

[rwatts]

I understand that the captain is pretty much the ultimate authority on board an aircraft in flight but apart from the uniform being a display of that authority, how much more can their presence at such an incident be of use ? Is the decision to restrain a passenger solely up to them ?

One certainly wouldn't want the captain involved in a physical altercation lest they are injured in some way - the risk for all on board already increased slightly just by their mere absence from the flight deck.

Is it time to keep the captain out of such things and make the cabin supervisor the ultimate authority for some passenger matters ?

Richard.

 

[Flying Fox]

This guy is/was a tool.

$1500 is too cheap a fine IMHO.

 

[Hvr]

I assume he will have to fly a different airline next time he wants to travel?

The penalty is way too low and he should have had a conviction recoded against him just to make sure he knew the court was serious.

Interesting and totally irrelevant that his university was mentioned. I wonder if he raised it in court in the hope the magistrate (assuming he was also from MEL UNI) would let a fellow old boy off the hook?

 

[farstar]

Seems like they tried to illustrate the fact he acted like a tool by picking a picture of him that looks like it.

 

[JohnK]

Some people don't think rules apply to them....

 

[straitman]

Some people don't think rules apply to them....

Some people don't understand the rules in the first place let alone how they might apply to them...

 

[JohnK]

Some people don't understand the rules in the first place let alone how they might apply to them...

Yes that is a possibility but a lot of people do know the rules and simply refuse to believe any type of rules apply to them incuding our justice system.

Enough said as I am drifting off topic....

 

[samh004]

I think he was lucky to get away with it, and wonder if MH has banned him from their flights? Perhaps he’ll be on a QF flight in the future, causing another row.

 

[burrco]

Agree $1500 doesn't appear to be much of a penalty. A meaningful fine and perhaps some community service to see that some people have greater concerns than a free upgrade would have been more appropriate.

At least a conviction was recorded.

If the article is correct, the mother should also have faced charges - surely trying to undo handcuffs etc should have some consequence.

 

[milehighclub]

Is the decision to restrain a passenger solely up to them ?

Is it time to keep the captain out of such things and make the cabin supervisor the ultimate authority for some passenger matters ?

I can't speak on behalf of MH, but I can explain how it works for Qantas.

Should someone be disruptive enough to warrant restraints, the captain must be informed prior to them being put on (the captain does NOT have to be present).

In extreme cases of violence or resistance, cabin crew may put on restraints without the permission of the captain, but he or she must be informed as soon as possible, and approval given.

Once restraints are on they will not be removed until they are handed over to the authorities.
The exception to this is if multiple restraints are in place, they must be removed as a passenger is only allowed to have two restraints on (and this includes a seatbelt)

In regards to the captain being in the cabin - It certainly is not required and below is a quote from the manual

Personal involvement of the Captain is an unacceptable risk to the overall safe conduct of the flight.

 

[rwatts]

I can't speak on behalf of MH, but I can explain how it works for Qantas.

Should someone be disruptive enough to warrant restraints, the captain must be informed prior to them being put on (the captain does NOT have to be present).

In extreme cases of violence or resistance, cabin crew may put on restraints without the permission of the captain, but he or she must be informed as soon as possible, and approval given.

Once restraints are on they will not be removed until they are handed over to the authorities.
The exception to this is if multiple restraints are in place, they must be removed as a passenger is only allowed to have two restraints on (and this includes a seatbelt)

In regards to the captain being in the cabin - It certainly is not required and below is a quote from the manual

Thanks for the response milehighclub, it seems like QF has a reasonably well considered policy.

Richard.