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I'm about to embark on a European adventure that could see me being away for anywhere from 6 months to 2+ years.

I'm planning to work while over there and do have a few things lined up, however I also plan to do quite a bit of travel ; this will occupy my first month or two over there.

So why am I committing a sin? Given I'd like to optimise my travel time and the experiences I won't be looking for whichever hotel loyalty program is going to give me the best benefits, or which airline etc. I also believe the fun part comes in planning the trip as well as actually going on it but I'm going to try and let myself be a little more spontaneous on this one. Rather than dotting the I's and crossing the T's on every little detail, I'm going to try and 'wing it' a lot more rather than having a set itinerary, or if not maybe go a hybrid solution where I plan only a couple of days ahead of where I am at any point in time.

I'll definitely be stepping out of the comfort zone as I've never stayed in a hostel type accommodation before, apart from when I did a Contiki tour but believe it's the best way as it's also a good way to meet fellow travelers.

I'd like to hear thoughts/comments from anyone who has done the backpacker style trip and any tips/tricks and what they did or didn't like about it.

I even look the part now having bought myself a nice backpack (but still have my small carry-on suitcase that I'll be using for those quick hops around the place, so not all is lost! :D).
 
Chin up it is easy. I am now approaching 54 & have owned the same backpack since 1998-prior to that I overpacked a hard suitcase! Pack has been to Canada/Banff,Bali,Austria/Poland/Slovakia/Hungary, Singapore/Vietnam, Mexico/Italy/Slovenia, Vietnam/Cambodia, Croatia/Singapore, Estonia/Latvia/Lithuania/Hong Kong, Italy-Cinque Terre, India, Finland/Italy/Romania/Bulgaria/Greece, France/Switzerland/Sicily/London, New Zealand, Alaska. Pack & zips are still 100% & I ran across my first twin of it in NZ in 2009 & the young owner was taking hers on its maiden trip.
I have worked full time up til this yr & have not been held to hotel loyalty or any particular airline (have redeemed some award tickets). Have stayed in hotels, b&bs, hostel private rooms etc.
Interesting that the last couple of yrs it has been harder to wing things- I think with the destinations involved & it seems that there are more of "my style" of traveller doing all of their research on the net before travelling & booking ahead-or am I just getting older?
My number 1 tip, spend as much time as you can in the Eastern European countries-certainly used to be easier to be spontaneous, relatively cheap & heaps to see & do
 
I'll definitely be stepping out of the comfort zone as I've never stayed in a hostel type accommodation before, apart from when I did a Contiki tour but believe it's the best way as it's also a good way to meet fellow travelers.

.... what sins did you commit in a past life to put yourself through this?

I'd like to hear thoughts/comments from anyone who has done the backpacker style trip and any tips/tricks and what they did or didn't like about it.

Having done the hostel thing a few times before I realised there are such things as Nice Hotels With Comfy Beds(tm), let me sum it up in four words: Bunk Beds, Shared Bathrooms.

I think you're mad, but I still expect a TR out of it ;)
 
.... what sins did you commit in a past life to put yourself through this?

Yeh yeh! Had a great time and made some great friends, but not something I'd do again ; hence this time doing it all myself :cool:

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Having done the hostel thing a few times before I realised there are such things as Nice Hotels With Comfy Beds(tm), let me sum it up in four words: Bunk Beds, Shared Bathrooms.

I think you're mad, but I still expect a TR out of it ;)

If I survive :D the challenge is on!
 
Just think like our stay in Amsterdam, except the beds will be bunks, there's more than 2 people sharing a room, the bathroom is the same size but also shared, and put the noise up a bit......and, hopefully it's cheaper than what we paid for our accommodation in Amsterdam.

B&Bs can also give very good value, as my sister found out.

A good way to wing it is to find out what other people are doing, and tag along.

Get used to sleeping anywhere (i.e. in any bed) with any level of noise. Tough, but it might be required. The noise could be the party next door, or just the bed creaking *wink wink* ;)

Overall, I don't see you committing a sin here. :) We travelled around Europe comfortably but we didn't get any status benefits out of the whole deal either. Not for hotels, trains or air travel (except for one BA flight, whoop de do :rolleyes:).
 
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I won't be looking for whichever hotel loyalty program is going to give me the best benefits, or which airline etc. .

For me as a life long travel addict (nearing 50 this year) there has always been two types of travel.

Work travel...which is well work travel !!!!!

And then REAL travel which is travel for leisure.

While hotel loyalty programs have been a factor in the first...they have never really been a factor in my leisure trips (except where I had some free night owing, or rarely when they were a good option).


Simply put if I am staying at a hotel for leisure, it normally always will a non-loyalty hotel as it will be much better value, and IMPORTANTLY better located. Extra $$$$ will also be saved on food and drink as well.

The extra $$$ saved go on better food or entertainment. In London for example you can see WesteEnd show each day and probably a pub meal to boot for the money saved.

LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION is always critical and if you get that right you see very little of the inside of your room anyway.

Often there are economical accommodations clustered near the main sites...and transport (ie train stations).

I still use hostels occasionally, but these days use an ecletic mix of private hotels, gites, homestays, apartments (often great value when they are 5 of us).....and boats as wel as trains.....and yes tents as I like my camping.

In NYC the B+Bs were much better value than the high priced hotels.

With having kids hostels are used more rarely now...but the great thing about them is that they are mine of information from fellow travellers....and also sorts of very economical and fun trips and tours tend to be run for their occupants.


On Wing-it travel. Have always been a fan. The internet has really alterred this though as it is now relatively easy to book options just before you arrive. So you do not have to jump off the train and look for somewhere now...though that is still an option. Last minute booking allows you evolve your trip as you go..and most of my trips are like this.

In Europe check out train options.
Often much better and less hassle than flying.
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What sacrilege.this thread will not be visited again.:shock::p:D
Though mrsdrron is not adverse to sleeping under the stars-as long as there are 5 of them:D:p:oops:
 
Need to remember, depending on your $$$$ situation, many hostels have private rooms with their own or share facilities so its not necessarily 12 to a room.-have a look at hostel bookers, pretty good descriptions of what to expect & usually clear ratings winners
 
You're all terrible snobs :shock:

Anyway hostels are very much the way to go to meet people! I use hostelworld.com and rely heavily on their user ratings. I know often you can go direct to a hostels website and get the same rate without paying the US$2 service charge for booking through hostelworld, however I've done that twice and both times I've rocked up and my booking has been "lost" and there are now no rooms available! Excellent news for a young female single traveller at 10pm. Once bitten twice shy so now I just buy the $10 gold card every year and always book through them.

Dorms are fine as long as you pack earplugs and an eye mask. Again, look at the user reviews to see what problems are likely to occur and plan ahead! Remember to buy a couple of combo locks too for locking up your bags (most hostels provide lockers but you need to byo locks). If you're doing a lot of long train or bus trips it's probably worth investing in a lockable wire cage dohickey thingo for your backpack. I've had stuff nicked in Europe and Australia, but never in Asia. Go figure.

You may spend time battling for power points, so it's worth taking a light double adaptor so you can charge 2 things at once if you've got more than 1 electrical thing (laptop, pda, phone, mp3 player, camera etc!).

Oh and my favourite must haves in luggage - a set of plastic, easy to clean cutlery, a light plastic cup, swiss army knife or similar, roll of duct tape, zip ties, zip lock bags, length of string, spare pillow case .... you'll be surprised how often all of these things come in handy!
 
I'm sure you will have a great time doing this Flashware!

It is good to be not too tied to plans, but I have found a minor downside. I'm towards the tailend of a DONE4, where not much was pre-booked other than the airfare.

It's been quite a chore booking accommodation, checking transport (e.g. from airport to hotel), and planning what to do in each location. The netbook needs to come out on an almost daily basis (there is then the added complication of whether you have internet access or not, or the extra cost of having it).

Of course, this may not apply exactly to you, but something to bear in mind.
 
I've been around Europe twice using hostels... spent 3 months travelling with my trusty backpack till the day some idiot sleeping on the bunk above me puked all over my backpack on the floor and disappeared before I woke up in the morning. Interestingly, the weight of my backpack when I arrived in London was 9.3 Kgs.

Travelled around with all my stuff in a big garbage bag till I bought a really cheap backpack from a market in Belarus, which I still have and use nearly 10 years later.

Now, I use cheaper hotels instead of hostels. I've grown to appreciate having my own bathroom and not having to deal with people coming in and out of dorm rooms. Have a look at Hotels, hotel reservations, from luxury to cheap hotels - venere.com for accomodation options around Europe. I've found some bargain prices at places like Venice or Paris walking distances from central stations.

Also, look at Cheap Flights from Budget Airlines with WhichBudget.com to determine which LCC flies between what cities. Always look at going out or into a secondary airport as they can be a lot cheaper. And as has been mentioned, trains are brilliant ways to travel around Europe. My thinking was that if I can get from one place to another overnight or in under 6 hours, I'd go by train... otherwise, I'd look at flying.
 
So you'll be camping (mrsdoc defines this as 3* or less).:rolleyes:


Seriously, you'll have an awesome experience. Enjoy! And yes, TR required.
 
So you'll be camping (mrsdoc defines this as 3* or less).:rolleyes:


Seriously, you'll have an awesome experience. Enjoy! And yes, TR required.
Just wait until you are unlucky enough to get a suite upgrade!:shock::D;)
 
It's been quite a chore booking accommodation, checking transport (e.g. from airport to hotel), .


On this...if one is staying in hostels...if you travel off peak season...normally hostels will not be full so you can just roll up. Just have a few options and not arrive too late.


If you are treavelling by yourself...then the biggest advantage of being in hostels is that it is very easy to meat people to talk with, go out with...go on tours etc...

You will probably end up bumping into people gain and again....and even travel at times together.

It makes the whole trip a lot more fun.


Then add to that all the info and tips you gain at the hostels...where to stay, go etc...

The downside is the dorms though!!!
 
A few tips from off the top of my head:
- overnight trains save a night's accommodation. I'm not sure if they're still the same but the couchettes could be folded our for a flat bed. Get in, set up the bed, close the curtains etc. If someone pokes their head in looking for a seat, snore loudly and start frothing at the mouth. Repeat as required.
- By catching overnight trains you arrive early to get the best hostel rooms (although pre-booking may be more prevalent with the internet).
- Private rooms in hostels are great if you can afford them.
- After a while on the road, a hostel that does your washing is a goldmine (I still have fond memories of the Boathouse in prague).
- Steer clear of hostels recommended by american guidebooks such as let's go unless you want a frat party atmosphere.
- Some hostels have great walking tours. The best one i've ever been on is Terry's tophat tour in Berlin.
- Invest in a good quality backup. My 12 year old Macpac is my primary travel bag still and is in perfect condition and when full weighs almost exactly 20kg.
- Take a bike lock to chain your backpack when sleeping. Make our stuff harder to steal than the next person and you should be OK.
- Your photos are most likely your only possession that are not replaceable.
 
I was thinking of mentioning night trains. They are good for saving a night in a hotel. I would offer some notes of caution, having used them a couple of times. (note, after that use I'm not sure if I would use them again). I felt dirty after using the night train, you leave your accommodation, spend most of a day looking around, then get on the train. Then when you get to your destination, you've been asleep, you have no shower, no teeth cleaning, you have to get off the train and find somewhere to stay. Thinking of check in times, you might not be able to get into the room until about midday. I found this a bit of a hassle, but then if you're backpacking maybe it doesn't matter.

I'm also not sure about being able to grab any seat in a couchette. The ones I used had to be reserved and the third class couchette the berths were already set up. 6 to a cabin and all berths taken. If you get in the 6 berth couchette whatever you do do not shut the window, no matter how cold you get. Shutting the window is much worse than being turned to ice. ;) Especially when the 2 people on the bottom berths have 2 car tires each for their luggage.
 
You're all terrible snobs :shock:

Anyway hostels are very much the way to go to meet people! I use hostelworld.com and rely heavily on their user ratings. I know often you can go direct to a hostels website and get the same rate without paying the US$2 service charge for booking through hostelworld, however I've done that twice and both times I've rocked up and my booking has been "lost" and there are now no rooms available! Excellent news for a young female single traveller at 10pm. Once bitten twice shy so now I just buy the $10 gold card every year and always book through them.

Dorms are fine as long as you pack earplugs and an eye mask. Again, look at the user reviews to see what problems are likely to occur and plan ahead! Remember to buy a couple of combo locks too for locking up your bags (most hostels provide lockers but you need to byo locks). If you're doing a lot of long train or bus trips it's probably worth investing in a lockable wire cage dohickey thingo for your backpack. I've had stuff nicked in Europe and Australia, but never in Asia. Go figure.

You may spend time battling for power points, so it's worth taking a light double adaptor so you can charge 2 things at once if you've got more than 1 electrical thing (laptop, pda, phone, mp3 player, camera etc!).

Oh and my favourite must haves in luggage - a set of plastic, easy to clean cutlery, a light plastic cup, swiss army knife or similar, roll of duct tape, zip ties, zip lock bags, length of string, spare pillow case .... you'll be surprised how often all of these things come in handy!

Yep! The backpack I bought came with locks, plus I have some anyway from the other trips I've done with my "normal" luggage. Have already packed a small powerboard too so that I can charge multiple things at once.

Good idea on the cutlery, etc. May come in useful if I decide to do a bit of cooking etc. at the hostel rather than eating out. I also already have a silk sleeping sheet, I've read that this will come in handy too! It has a slip for the pillow, too. The length of string I'm assuming will come in for a make-shift clothesline ;)

I'm sure you will have a great time doing this Flashware!

It is good to be not too tied to plans, but I have found a minor downside. I'm towards the tailend of a DONE4, where not much was pre-booked other than the airfare.

It's been quite a chore booking accommodation, checking transport (e.g. from airport to hotel), and planning what to do in each location. The netbook needs to come out on an almost daily basis (there is then the added complication of whether you have internet access or not, or the extra cost of having it).

Of course, this may not apply exactly to you, but something to bear in mind.

I've found wikitravel.org to be a good resource in terms of what to do once you reach a city, anat0l was the master in navigating the info and planning our days accordingly when we tripped around Europe.

I've been around Europe twice using hostels... spent 3 months travelling with my trusty backpack till the day some idiot sleeping on the bunk above me puked all over my backpack on the floor and disappeared before I woke up in the morning. Interestingly, the weight of my backpack when I arrived in London was 9.3 Kgs.

Travelled around with all my stuff in a big garbage bag till I bought a really cheap backpack from a market in Belarus, which I still have and use nearly 10 years later.

Now, I use cheaper hotels instead of hostels. I've grown to appreciate having my own bathroom and not having to deal with people coming in and out of dorm rooms. Have a look at Hotels, hotel reservations, from luxury to cheap hotels - venere.com for accomodation options around Europe. I've found some bargain prices at places like Venice or Paris walking distances from central stations.

Also, look at Cheap Flights from Budget Airlines with WhichBudget.com to determine which LCC flies between what cities. Always look at going out or into a secondary airport as they can be a lot cheaper. And as has been mentioned, trains are brilliant ways to travel around Europe. My thinking was that if I can get from one place to another overnight or in under 6 hours, I'd go by train... otherwise, I'd look at flying.

I guess it comes down to how you want to travel. By staying in cheap hotels, you miss out on the meeting people factor ; that being said, my last trip in Europe we did quite a few walking tours and that was a great way to meet people (we were staying in hotels also).

From what I've priced up so far it looks like I'll be doing a combo of flying / bussing / training to get to each destination. Each has it's pro's and con's and given I'm under no time restriction often the bus can be a much more effective option.

On this...if one is staying in hostels...if you travel off peak season...normally hostels will not be full so you can just roll up. Just have a few options and not arrive too late.

If you are treavelling by yourself...then the biggest advantage of being in hostels is that it is very easy to meat people to talk with, go out with...go on tours etc...

You will probably end up bumping into people gain and again....and even travel at times together.

It makes the whole trip a lot more fun.

Then add to that all the info and tips you gain at the hostels...where to stay, go etc...

The downside is the dorms though!!!

Could not agree more! Yes, the dorms certainly will be interesting, but it all adds to the experience right? :)

A few tips from off the top of my head:
- overnight trains save a night's accommodation. I'm not sure if they're still the same but the couchettes could be folded our for a flat bed. Get in, set up the bed, close the curtains etc. If someone pokes their head in looking for a seat, snore loudly and start frothing at the mouth. Repeat as required.
- By catching overnight trains you arrive early to get the best hostel rooms (although pre-booking may be more prevalent with the internet).
- Private rooms in hostels are great if you can afford them.
- After a while on the road, a hostel that does your washing is a goldmine (I still have fond memories of the Boathouse in prague).
- Steer clear of hostels recommended by american guidebooks such as let's go unless you want a frat party atmosphere.
- Some hostels have great walking tours. The best one i've ever been on is Terry's tophat tour in Berlin.
- Invest in a good quality backup. My 12 year old Macpac is my primary travel bag still and is in perfect condition and when full weighs almost exactly 20kg.
- Take a bike lock to chain your backpack when sleeping. Make our stuff harder to steal than the next person and you should be OK.
- Your photos are most likely your only possession that are not replaceable.

The walking tours conducted by New Europe I found to be quite good, they're "free" ; i.e. they operate on a tips basis. I never had any issues in tipping around 5-10 euro, which for a 3 hour tour I thought to be of good value.

If/when I stay at hostels, I normally do a rather intensive research on them and cross reference reviews between multiple sites. I find this normally gives an effective choice. As always, YMMV and I may even transform flashware.net into a site that gives tips on how/where to stay.

I was thinking of mentioning night trains. They are good for saving a night in a hotel. I would offer some notes of caution, having used them a couple of times. (note, after that use I'm not sure if I would use them again). I felt dirty after using the night train, you leave your accommodation, spend most of a day looking around, then get on the train. Then when you get to your destination, you've been asleep, you have no shower, no teeth cleaning, you have to get off the train and find somewhere to stay. Thinking of check in times, you might not be able to get into the room until about midday. I found this a bit of a hassle, but then if you're backpacking maybe it doesn't matter.

I'm also not sure about being able to grab any seat in a couchette. The ones I used had to be reserved and the third class couchette the berths were already set up. 6 to a cabin and all berths taken. If you get in the 6 berth couchette whatever you do do not shut the window, no matter how cold you get. Shutting the window is much worse than being turned to ice. ;) Especially when the 2 people on the bottom berths have 2 car tires each for their luggage.

Did a night train from Vienna - Venice, but we did "first class", so 4 beds in the cabin. Was very pleasant and had a nice trip, sharing with a female who was quite personable. I think the whole shower thing depends on what time of year you travel also, e.g. winter is a bit easier to swing by than summer for example. That being said, I normally like to get 2 showers in per day, but worst case scenario one each morning is the minimum!

Great to see all the comments so far, some good stuff here guys and gals.
 
Not sure if you are in London at all, but one of the best things i have done on my visits is to do a bike tour of London - lots of things that aren't in the guide book and a great way to experience just how small a city it really is for £18.

http://www.biketoursoflondon.com/

The day i did it i was the only one and managed to get my tour extended to include items from both tours.
 
- Steer clear of hostels recommended by american guidebooks such as let's go unless you want a frat party atmosphere.

I would counter this advice with a note to go where American guidebooks recommend IF you are after a bit of a party and want to feel like the most intelligent person in the room. Americans are heaps of fun if you want to drink, get loud and generally knock about. I also had some mad nights with the Poms, Dutch and Swedish.

I spent about 2 years backpacking through Europe with about 3 cents in my pocket at any one time. Hostels will sometimes let you stay for free or at a discount if you do some cleaning and stand a shift at the desk.

Go East - Romania is brilliant and cheap. Anything in Eastern Europe (and I don't include Czech Rep) is still a little off the trail but becoming very popular.

Use the hostel notice boards for people offering lifts. It often costs about the same as the train as you need to kick in for petrol but it is a good way for little side trips.

You will meet really annoying people that at first introduction seem ok. It is only after a beer or two do you realise that they believe the earth is really 2010 years old and that god put dinosaurs in the earth just to confuse us. If that is case then simply pack up and move on.

I ran a hostel for 4 months in the Czech Republic (not in Prague) and I would have few hostels around in close towns that I knew. I would encourage people to these hostels and in turn I would ring up and make a booking for them. This worked really well once I left that hostel and I just moved to the next place based on people's or the hostels recommendations. It also meant that my decision making was minimal and the stress levels were only high about beer o'clock, which, in Eastern Europe is anytime from about 9am.

Enjoy! I did.

Just one last piece of advice - trust your instinct - if it feels wrong then it probably is. Make sure that when you do things cough the level of perceived risk and add "would I do this at home?". Eg. that poor girl that broke her back in Croatia - would she be cliff jumping at home?
 
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