Does flying on Business/first entitle you to be entitled?

[SOPOOR]

I'll let people imagine the cabin crew reaction when I said I am non alcoholic on a F DXB-SYD.

Entitlement?.
Perhaps for those who have no class.
Others who are actually classy are the same whether in Y- or R

Even to this day I still scratch my head as to what the definition of classy is..

I imagine a classy person would be drinking moderate amounts of sparkling water when its free booze, or the person who drinks one or a few glasses of champagne.

And less classy people (including me) would be trying to knock back 2 bottles of the most expensive champagne, then most expensice whisky. And then eating 5 portions of caviar

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Even to this day I still scratch my head as to what the definition of classy is..

I imagine a classy person would be drinking moderate amounts of sparkling water when its free booze, or the person who drinks one or a few glasses of champagne.

And less classy people (including me) would be trying to knock back 2 bottles of the most expensive champagne, then most expensice whisky. And then eating 5 portions of caviar

I don’t think ‘classy’ means having to forego enjoyment and not having a jolly good time!

I think classy in this context means ‘unpretentious’.

 

[HMcM]

"Entitled" as a word definitely (and somewhat deservedly) gets a bad wrap, but I think it does have a place.

When flying in F or J internationally you're spending well into the 4 or 5 figures for transport. That's many times the rate you would pay simply for a Y seat. So that increase of cost does entitle you to certain things. You're entitled to the represented seat and to the represented quality with a reasonable expectation of things going wrong. Should they go wrong I would then put the onus on the airline to make it right to the best of their ability.

If you get on an F class flight with Emirates and suddenly get told that they don't have a single drop of alcohol on board the plane then you will still absolutely get to your destination, but you'd be right to be annoyed at the service not conforming to what is advertised. The same if you spend thousands for a lay flat bed only for it to not work and you spend an 18 hour flight having to sit upright.

The airlines through a couple of hundred dollars worth of FF points at a problem like this doesn't pass the pub test and nor should it. You pay for a service and you should get that service.

"Entitled" in the negative sense certainly exists but it more represents when you feel you are entitled to something that you're not and demanding of it. If you are an Amex platinum member and you go into a centurion lounge and demand the hidden away spirits and wine for Centurion Card holders then you are an entitled dick, but that's something you were not actually entitled to.

 

[esseeeayeenn]

I don’t think ‘classy’ means having to forego enjoyment and not having a jolly good time!

I think classy in this context means ‘unpretentious’.

Personally, I would avoid the word "classy" because of the baggage that comes with the root word "class".
However I would identify the following as desirable when flying:

(1) Presentation. Flying is going out in public. It's like dining in a restaurant. One should be dressed and groomed accordingly.
(2) This is adaptable to class of travel & is easier in premium cabins: in F/J, I always change into PJs and ask for my clothes to be stored while I sleep.
(3) If I don't expect to be given PJs (in Y, PE or even many J cabins) I bring my own from a previous flight. I find EY F PJs are the most comfortable.
(4) I also pack spare clothes in case of emergencies and two sets of spare underwear and socks.
(5) Personal hygiene: sadly only EY & EK A380s have showers, but on other aircraft I give myself a sponge bath when I change back from PJs into clothes.
(6) Paper towels aren't great for this purpose: if there are no cloth towels in the toilets, I ask the FAs for some of the refresher towels.
(7) Pay attention to how you smell. I always pack deodorant and perfume in my carry-on bags, and use both liberally.
(8) Stay calm: our emotions impact others, especially when we are confined with strangers for a long flight.
(9) Moderation is preferable to desperation. You don't have to drink all the champagne. If you do you'll probably just pass out and miss the experience.
(10) Any suggestion that I did this in seat 1A in the F cabin on a CX B773 flying HKG-CDG on Saturday 30 June 2019 is just a malicious rumour.
(11) I am, however, happy to show off the mother of pearl caviar spoon I took from a flight on Saturday 30 June ... oh wait.
(12) Read the room. Some people like to converse with strangers, others prefer to keep their own counsel. And we all have our moments.
(13) If I'm wearing headphones and sunglasses, I'm having a moment. Speak to me at your peril.
(14) Ask for what you want: respectfully. Demanding or rude PAX are no easier or more pleasant to deal with in F than they are in J.
(15) Cultivate a friendly relationship with the FAs. Show some interest and compassion. It's only fair, and as a bonus they will look after you better.
(16) Revisit (8): it really is the most important thing of all.
(17) I was wrong at (16): the most important thing is to remember that flying is a great privilege, and we should savour every moment with joy.

Happy to read feedback and comments but not arguments: this is my personal list, I am sure you all have your own.

Edit: (18) If you have children, take responsibility for them. Talk to them, entertain them, control them. You brought them onboard.

 

[Quickstatus]

Even to this day I still scratch my head as to what the definition of classy is..

Hyacinth Bucket should give you some idea.

 

[VPS]

Personally, I would avoid the word "classy" because of the baggage that comes with the root word "class".
However I would identify the following as desirable when flying:

(1) Presentation. Flying is going out in public. It's like dining in a restaurant. One should be dressed and groomed accordingly.
(2) This is adaptable to class of travel & is easier in premium cabins: in F/J, I always change into PJs and ask for my clothes to be stored while I sleep.
(3) If I don't expect to be given PJs (in Y, PE or even many J cabins) I bring my own from a previous flight. I find EY F PJs are the most comfortable.
(4) I also pack spare clothes in case of emergencies and two sets of spare underwear and socks.
(5) Personal hygiene: sadly only EY & EK A380s have showers, but on other aircraft I give myself a sponge bath when I change back from PJs into clothes.
(6) Paper towels aren't great for this purpose: if there are no cloth towels in the toilets, I ask the FAs for some of the refresher towels.
(7) Pay attention to how you smell. I always pack deodorant and perfume in my carry-on bags, and use both liberally.
(8) Stay calm: our emotions impact others, especially when we are confined with strangers for a long flight.
(9) Moderation is preferable to desperation. You don't have to drink all the champagne. If you do you'll probably just pass out and miss the experience.
(10) Any suggestion that I did this in seat 1A in the F cabin on a CX B773 flying HKG-CDG on Saturday 30 June 2019 is just a malicious rumour.
(11) I am, however, happy to show off the mother of pearl caviar spoon I took from a flight on Saturday 30 June ... oh wait.
(12) Read the room. Some people like to converse with strangers, others prefer to keep their own counsel. And we all have our moments.
(13) If I'm wearing headphones and sunglasses, I'm having a moment. Speak to me at your peril.
(14) Ask for what you want: respectfully. Demanding or rude PAX are no easier or more pleasant to deal with in F than they are in J.
(15) Cultivate a friendly relationship with the FAs. Show some interest and compassion. It's only fair, and as a bonus they will look after you better.
(16) Revisit (8): it really is the most important thing of all.
(17) I was wrong at (16): the most important thing is to remember that flying is a great privilege, and we should savour every moment with joy.

Happy to read feedback and comments but not arguments: this is my personal list, I am sure you all have your own.

Edit: (18) If you have children, take responsibility for them. Talk to them, entertain them, control them. You brought them onboard.

7) Pay attention to how you smell. I always pack deodorant and perfume in my carry-on bags, and use both liberally.

For me perfume is very problematic. I get headaches and feel queasy from strong smelling perfumes.

Just an observation

 

[esseeeayeenn]

7) Pay attention to how you smell. I always pack deodorant and perfume in my carry-on bags, and use both liberally.

For me perfume is very problematic. I get headaches and feel queasy from strong smelling perfumes.

Just an observation

There is a vast difference between "liberally" and "excessively".
I refer to (9) above.