Middle East Airspace Diversions/Cancellations

No.

That moves to 5th and higher freedom flights almost all of which usually requires approvals.

It’s easily done in the context of disruptions - especially if done under the banner of repatriation.

Regulators are generally reasonable and they understand if airlines like EK/QR aren’t flying then corridors like Australia - Europe will grind to a halt. That said the tricky part is getting all the pieces in place to actually conduct the flight. Regulatory approval is easy bit (in comparison).
 
Next, if the Iranians continue to launch strikes at the UAE, Qatar, Bahrain and Kuwait, I fully expect the Air Force’s of those nations will join in the hunting of Iranian missiles and launchers. If you recall the ‘Scud hunts’ from the Gulf War, they’ll be doing that, coordinated in time or location by the US. I don’t believe it is in Irans interest for this to happen.

Yes. The Gulf neighbours are armed to the teeth with modern US jets and missiles. Iran attacking US bases there is one thing, but hitting their economically crucial airports and other-non-military targets is another. They all want to see the end of the Iranian regime.
 
Regulators are generally reasonable and they understand if airlines like EK/QR aren’t flying then corridors like Australia - Europe will grind to a halt
Getting say government approval for EK to base a bunch of flights at say SIN might be easy, but the hard stuff will be things like gate capacity, check-in staff, catering, maintenance.. that stuff just can't be turned on quickly at scale.
 
Getting say government approval for EK to base a bunch of flights at say SIN might be easy, but the hard stuff will be things like gate capacity, check-in staff, catering, maintenance.. that stuff just can't be turned on quickly at scale.

That’s what I meant when I said the approval is the easy part.

That said these airlines have ops from these airports, so shouldn’t be too hard to convert (for example) SIN-DXB to SIN-LHR. Slot timing is an issue but with the amount of cancelled flights (thus unused slots) they should be able to get some aircraft moving.

It’s probably a lot easier for the airlines just to cancel and it will be governments that charter flights to get pax moving.
 
Regulators are generally reasonable and they understand if airlines like EK/QR aren’t flying then corridors like Australia - Europe will grind to a halt. That said the tricky part is getting all the pieces in place to actually conduct the flight. Regulatory approval is easy bit (in comparison).

Yeah, I was wondering in the current lead-up, or after the last airspace closure if some of the ME carriers might have worked on contingency plans to operate Aust/Asia to Europe via, say Saudi or Cairo or Istanbul.

Jeddah airport is massive - it caters for the serge of > 1 million pax during the Hajj so should have a lot of capacity.

Of course the airlines would have to get a lot of their craft out of the closed airports and there are are probably other insurmountable logistical issues but if push comes to shove some flow should be possible using aircraft not at the bases.
 
Sorry, can you remind me when your travel is?

We're booked to return to Australia via Doha on Saturday, and I was going to wait and see a bit longer. One of us' flight is Velocity points and the other paid with Qatar. If the airlines are willing to cancel already, maybe I should be looking at alternative ways home already?
I doubt that you will be flying via DOH on Saturday...
 
I think the majority of ME airspace will be reopened in about a week, at most, and I base this opinion on:

- last year during the 12-day war the Israeli Air Force pretty much had (maybe localised) air superiority by the 10th or 11th day. Recall they ended up plinking old Iranian F14s that hadn’t moved for years, such was the freedom they had (and that they’d already attacked the higher priority targets). Most of the Iranian air defence capability was neutralised. They had scattered their ballistic weapon systems but still retained some of that capability.

- the Iranians have built many more drones but they still have a finite number. Similarly, they have a finite number of missiles and launchers.

- again their air defences are being attrited as are missiles and their launch systems. Add to that, much of the command and control in Iran is being destroyed.

- as last year, I expect missile and drone systems will be scattered around the country to try and help them survive. The problem they will face is that even with a local level commander, they may not have authority to fire, or the coordinates to target if they don’t have their central C2 network or headquarters.

- these first 24-48 hours those local commanders are quite likely to be using pre-planned targeting information and orders. The Iranians have watched the build up over the past month and will have been planning and it’s likely their plans, in the event of a regime threatening attack, were to try attacking all US facilities throughout the Gulf region. The problem they will have now is how long is their initial planning good for? I suspect it’s probably good only for the first few days; then they’ll need updated orders and many elements may not get them.

- I also expect much of the maritime capability and port infrastructure will have been targeted or will be shortly. Securing the Straits of Hormuz will have been a US priority. The biggest threat is likely mines and concealed coastal defence cruise missiles. We can’t see it but there will be a persistent ISR presence in that area.

- Next, if the Iranians continue to launch strikes at the UAE, Qatar, Bahrain and Kuwait, I fully expect the Air Force’s of those nations will join in the hunting of Iranian missiles and launchers. If you recall the ‘Scud hunts’ from the Gulf War, they’ll be doing that, coordinated in time or location by the US. I don’t believe it is in Irans interest for this to happen.

- There are plenty of unknowns: how will the next Ayatollah react? How long will they survive if they choose to fight? How much did Iran learn from the Taliban’s long struggle? How much of a ground level uprising will there be from the Iranian population? What is the US and Israeli end-state?

To stay on topic, unless Iran wants to continue to alienate its neighbours, I suspect they will eventually realise that killing GCC citizens is not in their long term interest. In addition, those same GCC nations will want to get their main airports back open and will likely do so as soon as they can, hence their airspace will be reopened sooner rather than later. Finally, Iran may well maintain domestic security, but their ability to reach out and touch others is only going to go in one direction (lessen) from their initial salvos yesterday.

We live in interesting times. My 2c.
I think that you are very optimistic - Iran has 80,000 drones - it is going to take a while for them to be destroyed or all used. They are believed to also have 5000 or so missiles... Hezballah will likely get in on the act too... throw in the Houthis as they like a good party...

As far as planning and comms go - I think that they will have learnt a lot from the last war, and if all else fails it wouldn't be hard for a cut off local commander to pick some random coordinates for downtown Tel Aviv...
 
Imagine having to change travel plans urgently because of bombs dropping in the middle east and the Qantas lines are clogged with people wanting to get double status credits

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Imagine having to change travel plans urgently because of bombs dropping in the middle east and the Qantas lines are clogged with people wanting to get double status credits
Bad timing... maybe we need to explain to the Americans what DSC means and that it is best to avoid starting new wars during a DSC promotion...
Getting say government approval for EK to base a bunch of flights at say SIN might be easy, but the hard stuff will be things like gate capacity, check-in staff, catering, maintenance.. that stuff just can't be turned on quickly at scale.
Especially with EK having so many A380's - a lot of gates can't take them.
 
Getting say government approval for EK to base a bunch of flights at say SIN might be easy, but the hard stuff will be things like gate capacity, check-in staff, catering, maintenance.. that stuff just can't be turned on quickly at scale.

Could an Australian carrier running flights through a wet lease arrangements operated by a different carrier, run flights to the UK under Australia/UK air services agreement, routing via SIN? Or would that be considered a foreign carrier operating? Of course would only work If they could persuade another airline to temporarily lend them some slots at LHR.
 
A good question for @jase05 .

Note that the vast majority of international freight travels by sea or rail/road, but high value items that aren't buly go by air.
Absolutely it will have a knock on effect.
I’m guessing we will be briefed in the coming days but the dedicated freighters have some wiggle room but the the freight that normally goes via pax flights will have significant delays
 
Yeah, I was wondering in the current lead-up, or after the last airspace closure if some of the ME carriers might have worked on contingency plans to operate Aust/Asia to Europe via, say Saudi or Cairo or Istanbul.

Jeddah airport is massive - it caters for the serge of > 1 million pax during the Hajj so should have a lot of capacity.

Of course the airlines would have to get a lot of their craft out of the closed airports and there are are probably other insurmountable logistical issues but if push comes to shove some flow should be possible using aircraft not at the bases.
Cairo - no not enough spare gates and the infrastructure in the terminals wouldn't cope with many more passengers.

Jeddah - might have been a thought 24 hours ago, but this happened down the coast today... says Iranian but I'm betting Houthis, and if the Houthi missiles can reach Israel then Jeddah is well within reach...
 
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Could an Australian carrier running flights through a wet lease arrangements operated by a different carrier, run flights to the UK under Australia/UK air services agreement, routing via SIN?
Yes but not to LHR with QF flight number as QF is maxed out on its LHR slots (unless BA happy to relinquish its leased slots). Could the ME airlines lease QF their slots?
 
Could an Australian carrier running flights through a wet lease arrangements operated by a different carrier, run flights to the UK under Australia/UK air services agreement, routing via SIN? Or would that be considered a foreign carrier operating? Of course would only work If they could persuade another airline to temporarily lend them some slots at LHR.

In that vain would there be any constraints on an aussie carrier with AY wet leases running flights from SIN-HEL or to a UK airport that is not slot constrained. AY land in Manchester and Gatwick currently (besides Heathrow).
 
Another thing to keep an eye open for to get an indication of how long this might last - keep an eye out for any Chinese airlines 747-8F's heading towards Europe across Asia and then suddenly turning off their transponders and diverting to Iran...
 
wasn’t talking about QF though!
Which other AU carrier has unused pre - allocated landing slots into any UK level 3 airport?

The only way is for the ME airlines to temporarily assign its slots to an AU carrier, or for the Airport coordination authority to provide some dispensation.
 

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