Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

[Pushka]

To be fair it's a slightly different tolerance level.

NSW has many hundreds of cases per day whilst the NT is at just 1.

Same reason why Queensland backdated restrictions from states like VIC/NSW but hasn't done so for the NT with anyone already in the state (but having recently been in Darwin) not subject to stay-at-home restrictions.

Well, we are being read the Watch this Space because of 1 case in Broken Hill. If there are two, then I expect lockdown.

However my comment was more a throw away line and even the athletes didn't know if they were going to be spared until they arrived.

 

[Spongbob]

"They ask who what where when and how." First base and second base?
And I don't know is third base?

 

[MEL_Traveller]

I can sort of understand this - that is their job. To give health advice to government. But then government is supposed to consider the health advice, along with all the other advice (eg economic, technical, security, etc) and make a policy that includes everything - not just blindly, unquestioningly and exclusively accept advice because it is health advice.

That's right. The NSW Premier said she takes advice from the CHO and also economic and business interests. They decided to lock down late, and light. Time will tell if approaches by other states can put a lid on delta or if they still end up like NSW.

 

[clifford]

That's right. The NSW Premier said she takes advice from the CHO and also economic and business interests. They decided to lock down late, and light. Time will tell if approaches by other states can put a lid on delta or if they still end up like NSW.

I think there are a few examples around the world to suggest how it might end up. But who knows????

 

[Lynda2475]

The NSW Premier said she takes advice from the CHO and also economic and business interests

Rightfully, the mental health toll if it was not a balanced approach would be even worse.

Those of us of working age are going to paying for the econmic damange for the rest of our working lives through higher taxes and career interruption, to largely protect those older people who failed to get vaccinated when eligible.

They decided to lock down late, and light.

In your opinion, but those of us living here know the restrictions were not the problem but compliance from certain people is (and sadly will continue to be).

Going hard and early has not kept Victoria out of yet another lockdown, and compliance is an equally big issue there.

Vaccination is the way out, and vaccine privilege now is the way to keep vaccine uptake high.

 

[clifford]

Going hard and early has not kept Victoria out of yet another lockdown, and compliance is an equally big issue there.

Ah yes, but I wonder where their current outbreak was seeded from? Who knows?

 

[33kft]

Going hard and early has not kept Victoria out of yet another lockdown

Going hard involves locking down, it doesn't preclude it. NZ must have you really confused right now if that's how you understood it.

 

[Lynda2475]

Going hard involves locking down, it doesn't preclude it. NZ must have you really confused right now if that's how you understood it.

Vic locked down in, opened up and a week later was back into another lock down. Showing that going hard and early didnt stop Delta, it was still circulating undetected.

I understand perfectly well that covid zero is a fantasy, so NZ doesnt confuse me, it just indicates that their leadership are living under the same delusion as the some of our Premiers/Chief Minsters that they can get to zero and stay there.

 

[bcworld]

Vic locked down in, opened up and a week later was back into another lock down. Showing that going hard and early didnt stop Delta, it was still circulating undetected.

How about Adelaide? And Brisbane...we'll check back on them in a week maybe.

 

[Lynda2475]

How about Adelaide? And Brisbane...we'll check back on them in a week maybe.

Given Qld have had the most frequent HQ leakages this year, only a matter of time before they have another one.

No state can keep Delta out indefnitely, its a safe bet we will see Delta back there too.

Covid zero is not a reasonable goal, no run of zero can last forever.

 

[Pushka]

How about Adelaide? And Brisbane...we'll check back on them in a week maybe.

Don't jinx us. Although the most recent Delta Modbury cluster was declared finished yesterday after 28 days with no new cases.

 

[clifford]

Covid zero is not a reasonable goal

Are you an advisor to Gladys?

 

[Must...Fly!]

Are you an advisor to Gladys?

Sorry but COVID zero is not a reasonable goal in a functional society. I wish it was but I am too much of a logical thinker to allow myself to believe otherwise.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Rightfully, the mental health toll if it was not a balanced approach would be even worse.

Those of us of working age are going to paying for the econmic damange for the rest of our working lives through higher taxes and career interruption, to largely protect those older people who failed to get vaccinated when eligible.

There's also the mental health of older people, or those of us with with parents, or family or friends in vulnerable cohorts. Knowing that efforts are being made to contain the virus - in advance of vaccination - also has mental health benefits.

'Failing to get vaccinated when eligible' is a pretty heavy statement. I guess those people have reasons why they haven't so far.

 

[bcworld]

Interesting analysis here that shows that the rest of NSW (inc. the rest of Greater Sydney) is on the same trajectory as the 12 LGAs of concern...but just 2.5 weeks behind.

Based on the commentary a few of the Twitter data boffins have double checked the numbers.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1427266905778233351

 

[Lynda2475]

I guess those people have reasons why they haven't so far.

Wearing real thin, since 70+ have been eligible since late March and 50-69s since 1 May. Cant keep holding those who got vaccinated prisoner because they didnt.

Interesting analysis here that shows that the rest of NSW (inc. the rest of Greater Sydney) is on the same trajectory as the 12 LGAs of concern...but just 2.5 weeks behind.

Not all LGAs are on that trajectory, you cant really lump them all in together. The data also shows cases falling in some LGAs, and when you look at vaccination rates some are much better protected than others.

For example my suburb has had ZERO cases in this current outbreak, despite being next to suburbs that have had cases - there are quite a few suburbs with no cases, and many LGAs with only a handful which arent increasing rapidly.

 

[dajop]

Not all LGAs are on that trajectory, you cant really lump them all in togther. The data also shows cases falling in some LGAs, and when you look at vaccination rates some are much better protected than others.

For example my suburb has had ZERO cases in this current outbreak, despite being next to suburbs that have had cases - there are quite a few suburbs with no cases, and many LGAs with only a handful which arent increasing rapidly.

But ultimately zero, even at LGA level is an unattainable goal.

 

[Lynda2475]

But ultimately zero, even at LGA level is an unattainable goal.

Yes it is.

However areas consistently maintainining 5 or fewer cases during the worst outbreak to date, show they are a much lower risk jurisdiction than those with hundreds of cases. So when some vaccination privilege kicks at 50%, we should expect greater freedoms in the betetr performing areas over those areas who have shown they struggle to comply with restrictions and who arent vaccinating fast enough.

Thankfully Gladys isnt pushing state wide restrictions, but rather restrictions which can be turned on/off based vaccination status and then the case numbers in each LGA.

It is a competition, and the best performaing Greater Sydney LGAs are outperforming the worst by a long way on the metrics that count - case numbers and fully vaccinated rate.

I would be happy if all LGAs hit the 70% and 80% targets at the same time, but we know that wont happen, and can easily predict the areas that will get there first, and they arent necessarily the ones who have had all the extra government help and targetted assistance.

 

[drron]

And didn't the ACT have 17 cases today. With a population of 250000 that if adjusted to a population of 7 million would equal 476 cases.

 

[Pushka]

There's also the mental health of older people, or those of us with with parents, or family or friends in vulnerable cohorts. Knowing that efforts are being made to contain the virus - in advance of vaccination - also has mental health benefits.

'Failing to get vaccinated when eligible' is a pretty heavy statement. I guess those people have reasons why they haven't so far.

Versus the mental health of young people separated from important family members and not having a life. Losing years of quality education.

The 'not wanting to get vaccinated because I'm ok jack' is wearing thin.