All International Arrivals into Australia to self isolate for 14 days

Media suggesting today if any traveled OS after the Do Not Travel notice then they might also be paying for quarantine in Australia.

We decided to stay where we are in California, however if we were to return we would be more than happy to do the 14 day quarantine in a hotel and pay ourselves, however if I am paying I want to be able to choose my own hotel and have food options. If the user pays, one has a right to complain. Don't put me in the Ibis then charge me the same as someone at the Intercontinental, but then there would be outrage about people with more money getting better treatment.
 
Don't put me in the Ibis then charge me the same as someone at the Intercontinental, but then there would be outrage about people with more money getting better treatment.

i might be mistaken but I thought it was the Ibis that was one of the first hotels to allow outside food delivery and care packages? Whereas those in some of the 'luxe' hotels were restricted to what was provided. (I think that has changed for everyone now.)
 
i might be mistaken but I thought it was the Ibis that was one of the first hotels to allow outside food delivery and care packages? Whereas those in some of the 'luxe' hotels were restricted to what was provided. (I think that has changed for everyone now.)

Truthfully I would have no idea, I'm not following it that closely as all we seem to hear is from the whingers like Bingle and others who want their 15 minutes of fame.
 
I stayed once at the Ibis and it was ok. Whingers deserve tentland.......
@Toula92122 watch out for those with guns and ammo in your area. I saw the crowd in Marina del Rey lining up outside our local gun store in Washington Blvd.
 
“About 16,000 Australians flew out of the country in the fortnight after Scott Morrison told everyone not to go overseas, triggering calls for defiant international travellers to foot the bill for their forced quarantine when they return home.

I wonder if two of those were the couple who were in the Hobart paper yesterday whining about the standard of their hotel isolation in Sydney on their return. Just came back from a surfing holiday in Bail :oops:. I mean, if it was a short holiday then they left late and are simply dolts and need protection from themselves. If it was a long holiday, then they had plenty of opportunity to come home early, and my conclusion is the same.
 
I think being locked in a hotel room like a prisoner, for doing NOTHING than merely arriving into your home country is completely outrageous. Undemocratic. My friend is locked away in Melbourne. The "detainment" order is just chilling... shows that the Government can just remove your rights with no questions. Not even any legal oversight. Only permitted to receive 2 packages during the imprisonment - not allowed any alcohol unless they buy from the hotel minibar (outrageous). No exercise permitted. No fresh air. Makes me so mad.

I cannot believe that more people are not kicking up a stink? Where are the lawyers?

Anyway, all I can say to my fellow citizens who are in this horrible position.... don't forget who did this to you when the next election comes around.... do not forget.
 
Wonder how many Australians travelled overseas when they were instructed not to? The Australian on 02 April :

“About 16,000 Australians flew out of the country in the fortnight after Scott Morrison told everyone not to go overseas, triggering calls for defiant international travellers to foot the bill for their forced quarantine when they return home.

The Australian can reveal the 16,000 citizens went overseas by plane between March 19 and 30 even though the Prime Minister gave a very clear instruction to “not travel abroad” on March 18.

In addition, 3800 Australians flew out from March 25-30 after an official ban on all overseas travel came into force on March 24.

The numbers sound significant on their own, but 16,000 represents 0.064% of the population and 3,800 represents 0.015%.

Now it's the herd mentality to stick the boot in to these people. Whilst some are no doubt sticking it to the authorities, thinking it doesn't apply to them, many probably had strong connections outside Australia and had a difficult decision to make whether to go or not. Having been in that position, I empathise with this second group.

Certainly the 3,800 who travelled after the offical ban came into effect, would not have been allowed to travel unless they were specifically excluded from the ban - most likely residing overseas. We have a copy of our lease with us (and foreign IC cards) , for the point in time (which may be in 6 weeks, maybe 3 months) when we need to return to Singapore - so we can show we reside outside of Australia.

We actually defied Singapore government's "Do Not Travel" advice to be closer to elderly parents in Australia. We will face consequences on return which include no government subsidised health care for COVID-19 related illness in first 14 days (private should cover though), which was formally announced, and possibly even having to pay for hotel for 14 days on our return (which was mentioned in some interviews, but not in official announcement). We could have chosen to evade such consquences by departing 24 hrs earlier, but chose to depart later as we felt it was a lower risk for exposure to COVID19 , boarding a non-stop flight with only SIN originating pax (vs. leaving before deadline on SIN-CGK-SYD-MEL or SIN-HND/NRT-SYD-MEL .... no thanks to either).

At the end of the day, some have left AU as they think they above the law, others have left, due to their personal/family situation. Remember until a month ago, the global workforce was incredibly mobile.
 
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I think being locked in a hotel room like a prisoner, for doing NOTHING than merely arriving into your home country is completely outrageous. Undemocratic. My friend is locked away in Melbourne. The "detainment" order is just chilling... shows that the Government can just remove your rights with no questions. Not even any legal oversight. Only permitted to receive 2 packages during the imprisonment - not allowed any alcohol unless they buy from the hotel minibar (outrageous). No exercise permitted. No fresh air. Makes me so mad.

I cannot believe that more people are not kicking up a stink? Where are the lawyers?

Anyway, all I can say to my fellow citizens who are in this horrible position.... don't forget who did this to you when the next election comes around.... do not forget.
Sorry. Don't have an issue with this. I'd not like it but I'd do it.

Edit - Actually. I'm not even sorry. Let me re-state. I have no issue with this isolation for 14 days. Period.

Better than this really.
 
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Initially I could not understand why these people were not sent to Howard Springs in lieu of city 4/5* hotels where they should have gone like their predecessors .

But on a rethink, I have surmised the government is trying to, in a limited way, support hospitality jobs and industry and thus dual outcomes.

Its really disappointing some of the DYKWIA types get so much media air time whinging about having to stay in the same 5* properties they aspire to stay at when travelling.
 
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The whole post is so OTT that I suspect it is a leg- pull, so I’ll save the electrons pointing out the errors and nonsense in almost every line.
Oh I'm sorry - I didn't know your ivory tower was so high...

Just for clarity - how long should the government be allowed to detain you for committing no crime? 2 weeks? 4 weeks? 6 months? A year? At what point, would you begin to question its validity? When should there be some kind of legal oversight? And, if as so many people seem to be claiming, being locked up in a 5-star hotel for 2 weeks is some kind of "treat", why are they complaining? Shouldn't they all be loving it? Should they be allowed to complain? To speak? Should they have their phones confiscated?

Maybe you can lead by example, and volunteer to go into one of those luxury hotels - just to show us how good and easy it is?
 
Oh I'm sorry - I didn't know your ivory tower was so high...

Just for clarity - how long should the government be allowed to detain you for committing no crime? 2 weeks? 4 weeks? 6 months? A year? At what point, would you begin to question its validity? When should there be some kind of legal oversight? And, if as so many people seem to be claiming, being locked up in a 5-star hotel for 2 weeks is some kind of "treat", why are they complaining? Shouldn't they all be loving it? Should they be allowed to complain? To speak? Should they have their phones confiscated?

Maybe you can lead by example, and volunteer to go into one of those luxury hotels - just to show us how good and easy it is?

They are simply detaining people for the known incubation period and not some dastardly evil number they plucked out of thin air. If it was 7 days then that would be the limit.
 
They are simply detaining people for the known incubation period and not some dastardly evil number they plucked out of thin air. If it was 7 days then that would be the limit.
I still think its a slippery slope. History is littered with dictatorships that started off slowly, with things like this,

I would be keen to know - is anyone on this forum originally from a former soviet country? or East Germany? I.e. behind the iron curtain? The reason I ask, I have 2 colleagues from the former Czechoslovak Socialist Republic until the wall came down in 1990 - they would have been 18/19yo at that time.

They view this whole thing with a small degree of fear - they say that even some of the language the Government is using in its press conferences is eerily similar to that of the USSR at the time.... about "trust us we will protect you"....

Anyway, I thought that was an interesting opinion and wondered if others had similar experiences?

Also, how does one prove "residency" in a specific state? As that wasn't a thing in Australia last week.... the authorities are struggling to get a definition too. I reside in 2 states - pretty much 50/50. I have a drivers license for only 1 state though (as that is what they allow), and all my mail gets sent to a PO Box somewhere else, so I don't really have any "proof" of my QLD residence other than a set of keys?

I was wondering if someone had any tips in this regard?
 
I still think its a slippery slope. History is littered with dictatorships that started off slowly, with things like this,

I would be keen to know - is anyone on this forum originally from a former soviet country? or East Germany? I.e. behind the iron curtain? The reason I ask, I have 2 colleagues from the former Czechoslovak Socialist Republic until the wall came down in 1990 - they would have been 18/19yo at that time.

They view this whole thing with a small degree of fear - they say that even some of the language the Government is using in its press conferences is eerily similar to that of the USSR at the time.... about "trust us we will protect you"....

Anyway, I thought that was an interesting opinion and wondered if others had similar experiences?

Also, how does one prove "residency" in a specific state? As that wasn't a thing in Australia last week.... the authorities are struggling to get a definition too. I reside in 2 states - pretty much 50/50. I have a drivers license for only 1 state though (as that is what they allow), and all my mail gets sent to a PO Box somewhere else, so I don't really have any "proof" of my QLD residence other than a set of keys?

I was wondering if someone had any tips in this regard?

Everyone has a home address registered on the drivers licence. That is what would be used.

I understand why some live in fear; we saw first hand the impact of 'authority' whilst on a tour in the former East Germany. We had a young male tour leader whose parents grew up on the wrong side. He approached some Police to enter a Palace and they immediately stood to arms. He backed up immediately and was quite upset when he came back to the group.

But right now we have a bigger demon to fight. And it isn't the rules here but the virus.
 
Everyone has a home address registered on the drivers licence. That is what would be used.

I understand why some live in fear; we saw first hand the impact of 'authority' whilst on a tour in the former East Germany. We had a young male tour leader whose parents grew up on the wrong side. He approached some Police to enter a Palace and they immediately stood to arms. He backed up immediately and was quite upset when he came back to the group.

But right now we have a bigger demon to fight. And it isn't the rules here but the virus.
I see a number of posters supporting the efforts of countries such as Korea and SIN has shown in suppressing the virus with greater success than any other nation. No one questions their method in achieving this. I can attest not so long ago when I was based in SIN and flying in on a regular basis I would be pulled aside at immigration, handed a pair of scissors and told to cut my hair until it was off my collar and not hanging over my ears.
I think no less of Singapore for this repeated experience, it was what it was.
I think however there will still be people at dinner parties in 10 years time bleating about their mistreatment in quarantine.
 
I think however there will still be people at dinner parties in 10 years time bleating about their mistreatment in quarantine.

But isn't that an unfortunate common preoccupation at some dinner parties & social gathering by some people - to try and outdo each other with tales of woe which in the whole scheme of things are merely manufactured dramas over incidental matters - at least this will give them some additional fodder for such behaviours.
 
I think being locked in a hotel room like a prisoner, for doing NOTHING than merely arriving into your home country is completely outrageous. Undemocratic. My friend is locked away in Melbourne. The "detainment" order is just chilling... shows that the Government can just remove your rights with no questions. Not even any legal oversight. Only permitted to receive 2 packages during the imprisonment - not allowed any alcohol unless they buy from the hotel minibar (outrageous). No exercise permitted. No fresh air. Makes me so mad.

I cannot believe that more people are not kicking up a stink? Where are the lawyers?

Anyway, all I can say to my fellow citizens who are in this horrible position.... don't forget who did this to you when the next election comes around.... do not forget.
Oh I'm sorry - I didn't know your ivory tower was so high...

Just for clarity - how long should the government be allowed to detain you for committing no crime? 2 weeks? 4 weeks? 6 months? A year? At what point, would you begin to question its validity? When should there be some kind of legal oversight? And, if as so many people seem to be claiming, being locked up in a 5-star hotel for 2 weeks is some kind of "treat", why are they complaining? Shouldn't they all be loving it? Should they be allowed to complain? To speak? Should they have their phones confiscated?

Maybe you can lead by example, and volunteer to go into one of those luxury hotels - just to show us how good and easy it is?
Not quite the funniest thing I have read today but it's up there.

Would I enjoy it? Probably not, but I understand the reasoning and have just done that same thing at home for 14 days.

Neither of us went completely mad. o_O 🤡
 
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