2019 Federal Election Discussion

[RooFlyer]

Who is rupert

Hey! He's my puppet-master. Personally tells me everything I type.

True.

 

[tgh]

Given a choice between Moody's "logic" and Option D.. it's a no brainer...

 

[Moody]

More charm from the Turnbull family. (The Oz, probably paywalled).

The father:
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The son ... and GetUp campaigner ...

So the father congratulated ScoMo and said he was glad it was him who succeeded Malcolm, and not Peter Dutton. What exactly is wrong with saying that?

And you have misquoted the Nine News article. Here is what Alex said according to that news source

"I am very happy I helped get rid of Tony," he said, acknowledging Zali Steggall, the grassroots effort, and the united campaign to oust him from his seat.

"Tony was very much a terrorist. It is expected given the complete misalignment of his politics and his electorate."

 

[OATEK]

Sorry - are you saying climate change is BS? Or having a climate change policy is BS? Or that everything to the left of Rupert is BS? [ Option D - all of the above, is also available.

Growing the nation. Do you mean population or GDP or productivity?

What many on here are saying is that we are meeting our international targets, and for anything substantive to happen requires the big emitters to respond. Nothing Australia can do right now will make a difference and there is no way big emitters will do anything because we tell them. We make all the virtue laced signals we like, but unless the the rest of the world are prepared to meet there targets then we are only committing economic suicide by going after crazy 45% and greater targets on our own.

 

[PJF]

1st point: Its not all about Climate Change ... only the Greens have that single mind set.
2nd: Jobs a non issue? Says a lot. Yes, renewables will provide jobs, but only with massive taxpayer subsidies for consumers and the developers. There are probably more jobs per MW developed with renewables (solar and wind at least), because the projects are individually smaller. Reckon that doesn't add to the cost per MW? But I am also thinking about Adani in Qld. Thousand+ jobs. Right there.
3rd: The scheme where you pay offshore companies to produce 'carbon offsets' so Australia can 'reduce its net emissions'. Al Gore will tell you all about it - the world's first 'Climate Billionaire'.

I understood what you were saying.

 

[Deleted member]

Is it that they don't believe in climate change, or they do believe in it ..... but just don't care?

Those pesky polls (conspiracy theory alert) had supposedly identified that even Coalition voters were getting impatient with the lack of policy action on climate change. Labor were fooled into believing that this would translate into some conservative voters pulling their heads out and crossing over.

Unfortunately this was the one true example of Virtue Signalling that I am aware of. The coalition voters may have finally realised that Andrew Bolt, Ray Hadley, Miranda Devine, etc are not actually climate scientists, but putting the interests of future generations before their own wealth? Come on.

It’s not a matter of believing in climate change. It’s a matter of what you believe is the major cause.

 

[Quickstatus]

Ditto the "hundreds of jobs." The renewable energy sector employs thousands, but that is a non-issue

"Sending Billions overseas" Would you care to elaborate how that will work

I would rather cheap abundant baseload creating jobs in a multitude of industries rather than jobs in the renewable industry.

We import all our renewable assets. If we stop out coal and gas exports what are we going to export?. Or are we going to increase capital inflows to pay for imports such as renewable assets and carbon credits. Capital inflows resulting in selling domestic assets?

 

[PJF]

What many on here are saying is that we are meeting our international targets, and for anything substantive to happen requires the big emitters to respond. Nothing Australia can do right now will make a difference and there is no way big emitters will do anything because we tell them. We make all the virtue laced signals we like, but unless the the rest of the world are prepared to meet there targets then we are only committing economic suicide by going after crazy 45% and greater targets on our own.

EXACTLY spot on

 

[Moody]

Given a choice between Moody's "logic" and Option D.. it's a no brainer...

So you don't believe in climate change, climate change policy, or anything that the Murdoch press didn't tell you.

Why am I not surprised.

 

[PJF]

So you don't believe in climate change, climate change policy, or anything that the Murdoch press didn't tell you.

Why am I not surprised.

Who is the Murdoch press do they run the ABC

 

[OATEK]

Who is the Murdoch press do they run the ABC

No, that was the Shorten press!

 

[PJF]

No, that was the Shorten press!

Oh yeh the guy who thought he could sell ice to an eskimo. The 8 mins to charge an electric car guy.

 

[Moody]

I would rather cheap abundant baseload creating jobs in a multitude of industries rather than jobs in the renewable industry.

We import all our renewable assets. If we stop out coal and gas exports what are we going to export?. Or are we going to increase capital inflows to pay for imports such as renewable assets and carbon credits. Capital inflows resulting in selling domestic assets?

"Cheap abundant baseload"? That's funny - if renewables make up 21% of current power generation, doesn't that mean that 79% meets that definition. How's that been working out for power prices recently?

Booming sector to offer 60,000 new jobs

EXCLUSIVE

www.news.com.au

We dig up lots of things and send them overseas. As long as it is done responsibly and the nation gets a fair return for OUR resources, I have no problem with that. I'm not confident that Adani would meet those criteria...

 

[Moody]

No, that was the Shorten press!

Are you lot going to back up ANY of these claims with facts and examples?

[Rhetorical question alert]

 

[Moody]

Oh yeh the guy who thought he could sell ice to an eskimo. The 8 mins to charge an electric car guy.

Missed that story too - what ice and which eskimos? Ohhhh - you are just talking in vacuous slogans, aren't you? My mistake.

How long does it take to charge a car now?

 

[Quickstatus]

The 79% is not all baseload.
Currently not cheap nor is it abundant.

Sell coal overseas so long as we don’t use it here. That it’s the very conundrum that got Labor into a bind and lost them QLD.

Time to charge Tesla:
3 miles per hour using standard Domestic power point
10hours from zero using high power 240v adaptor
6 hours using Special wall connector
1 hour using supercharger

8 minutes . One of the many activations of the BS meter during the Election.

 

[PJF]

Hey! He's my puppet-master. Personally tells me everything I type.
True.

Did he tell you who was going to win you the election

 

[cwd]

There appear to be a lot of posters in this thread who aren't interested in Australia taking action on Climate Change. I'm curious though - what would it take for you to decide we need to take urgent action? A 2°C rise in average temperatures in Australia? A 4°C rise? A 10°C rise? And don't bother with making claims about what's happened or not already. What would it take to convince you?

Are you not concerned that the cost of insurance relating to climate related risks might cause enormous disruption to the economy and our lives? Not concerned that you're leaving the planet in worse shape for your children and grandchildren than you inherited it?

ps. A target of a 50% reduction in greenhouse gas emissions by 2025 was passed under the Conservative Government in the UK. Where's the evidence that aggressive emission reduction policies are causing trouble anywhere? The reductions are going to happen eventually, but we're racing the planet vs deniers....

 

[PJF]

There appear to be a lot of posters in this thread who aren't interested in Australia taking action on Climate Change. I'm curious though - what would it take for you to decide we need to take urgent action? A 2°C rise in average temperatures in Australia? A 4°C rise? A 10°C rise? A don't bother with making claims about what's happened or not already. What would it take to convince you?

Are you not concerned that the cost of insurance relating to climate related risks might cause enormous disruption to the economy and our lives? Not concerned that you're leaving the planet in worse shape for your children and grandchildren than you inherited it?

ps. A target of a 50% reduction in greenhouse gas emissions by 2025 was passed under the Conservative Government in the UK. Where's the evidence that aggressive emission reduction policies are causing trouble anywhere? The reductions are going to happen eventually, but we're racing the planet vs deniers....

Have to ask.
1. What % of the atmosphere is CO2
2. What % of that is caused by humans
3. What % of that is caused by Australia.

 

[PJF]

Missed that story too - what ice and which eskimos? Ohhhh - you are just talking in vacuous slogans, aren't you? My mistake.

How long does it take to charge a car now?

Probably about a week if the sun don’t shine and wind doesn’t blow