2019 Federal Election Discussion

[cwd]

Many of those who campaign against nuclear do so because of money.

Actually, nuclear's probably a non-starter because it's much more expensive than any of the other options we have. We simply don't need it when the price of renewables and storage is dropping so dramatically.

 

[drron]

Actually, nuclear's probably a non-starter because it's much more expensive than any of the other options we have. We simply don't need it when the price of renewables and storage is dropping so dramatically.

Then you didn't read the articles did you.

"Solar panels and wind turbines are making electricity significantly more expensive, a major new study by a team of economists from the University of Chicago finds.


Renewable Portfolio Standards (RPS) "significantly increase average retail electricity prices, with prices increasing by 11% (1.3 cents per kWh) seven years after the policy’s passage into law and 17% (2 cents per kWh) twelve years afterward," the economists write."

In California where they have closed one of their main nuclear plants since the closure the price of electricity has risen and CO2 emissions have increased.
Exactly the same scenario has occurred in Germany.Meanwhile in France,which has 75% of it's power from nuclear,has one of the cheapest electricity prices in Europe plus the least CO2 emissions per MW of electricity produced.However they have succumbed under Macron to Germany's insistence that they go down the renewables path so emissions are now rising.
Problem is with renewables you need backup power generation from a base load plant.Gas is now preferred as it can come on line very quickly.So this causes a rise in price and emissions.

 

[cove]

Have had a day without politics and it has been nice. I merely looked up the betting odds and they are not changing much.
Voting early was easy.
I am not sure if Fat Boy is getting the traction he wants from spending about $70 million but I think the companies getting paid are exstatic.

 

[tgh]

It would be nice to have enough spare dosh to buy a few votes .
"Fat boy" is clearly in the trump camp and not as dumb as he seems.

 

[cove]

I am really looking forward to the post election interviews but I will need to get them off the internet seeing I will be working in the US over that period.

 

[amaroo]

Not that I'm all that concerned, but surely calling someone fat these days, is the same as saying you're going to hell

 

[drron]

And the problem with electric cars in Australia.

Jaguar I-Pace SE 2019 review: How does it fare on the highway?

The I-Pace's official driving range is 470km, but what does that mean on the highway in the real world?

www.carsguide.com.au

 

[cove]

That was a good read drron. The price of the car was the shock.

 

[moa999]

I still don't understand Palmer's strategy.
With all the signs pointing to a decent Labor victory, isn't Palmer just going to get ignored in the Upper House for the next four/eight years and just fall asleep more
(Assuming he gets a seat in Qld)

 

[amaroo]

I still don't understand Palmer's strategy.
With all the signs pointing to a decent Labor victory, isn't Palmer just going to get ignored in the Upper House for the next four/eight years and just fall asleep more
(Assuming he gets a seat in Qld)

Senate = his objective...one giant snooker hall.

 

[cove]

We don’t have long to wait to see how Clive Palmer does in the election.it will be interesting to see if his party polls better than the Greens, One Nation and the Nationals by using about $70 million of advertising dollars.

 

[Cruiser Elite]

I am not sure if Fat Boy is getting the traction

Too funny Docker - you or me referring to ‘Mud Guts’ as fat is akin to Tommy or penegal referring to someone as ugly!!!

2 words come to mind - MIRROR MIRROR

 

[cove]

Great call CE. Tough on TV and Penegal though. My mirror broke.....I didn’t fit!
I think Clive is getting traction off Qld and SA if I am hearing correctly.

 

[cove]

Are you at West Coast Fever GF? Beats politics hands down!

 

[Cruiser Elite]

I think Clive is getting traction off Qld and SA if I am hearing correctly.

Qld no question - let’s face facts - all banana benders are bent / crooked / warped from the get go.

Croweaters - what do you expect - not the sharpest bunch when they consider pie floaters are gourmet food. Only 2 good things to ever come out of SA were Bart to Flemington and Blighty to North!!!

 

[cove]

When the lights in Melbourne go out will we blame those pesky North Queenslanders CE?
WA could send you some gas I guess.

 

[Isochronous]

Well that guy from BAEconomics’s report has been “shot down” again.

I'm sure you were cheering when Simon Holmes a Court incited the lunatic left lynch mobs to show up at the family home of the economist concerned to intimidate him for daring to express a view.

Come on people, the discussion in this thread is filled with all sorts of baseless accusations, from a few players, and it's quite obviously almost all in one direction.

The report being cited assumes wholesale electricity prices go to over $130/MWh. The cost of renewables at the moment is probably somewhere below $50/MWh, and not much more than that with firming included (so no need to go down that line of attack). These prices have been going down quite dramatically for many years, while figures being talked about for a coal plant are over $50/MWh just for the fuel to run them. So unless a Coalition government decides to put our money towards building and subsidising the running of a new coal power station, we ain't going to see any more built. And anyway, since the carbon pricing mechanism we had has been removed, the price of power has increased, while our emissions, which were falling, immediately started rising again.

As someone in their 30s, I don't see the appeal of trusting a party filled with climate change deniers. Their policies seem designed to do as little as they think they can get away with, with much of it being a handout to companies who in many cases already have an incentive to implement the changes they're going to be paid for.

I don't believe anyone's actually suggested wind power alone is the solution to Australia's energy needs when combating climate change?

As for the rest of this thread, and super...the generation which benefited so magnificently from an almost limitless ability to funnel income into super at low tax rates (a mechanism no longer available to those of us working) are complaining because the ALP is proposing to not pay them back the company tax that was paid by the companies they own shares in? All so that they don't have to touch their capital, allowing them to leave it to their kids. Far be it for me to begrudge anyone their hard earned wealth, but sound economic management would surely be to target tax concessions to where they're most effective, not to those who'll live an extremely comfortable life even without them.

As for government debt, the shouting about it seems to have gone quiet while the Coalition's been in power, despite it doubling.

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Labor/Greens only plan for the national debt is to massively increase it to fund their lunatic left ideological experiments with the economy. Look at the egregious way the howled about the prospect of people paying a trifling $7 to visit the GP when that was proposed in the 2014 budget. It makes sense for the Coalition to not bother talking about debt reduction since they don't have the means to get any reasonable measures through the Senate.

You shouldn't expect to have the right to increase everyone's taxes and electricity bills to satiate your religious belief in Gaia-worship. The suggestion that renewables are cheaper than coal power is so absurd as to be laughable. That's why even the Germans are reopening coal power plants and even building new ones:

Why ‘Green’ Germany Remains Addicted to Coal
Germany Is a Coal-Burning, Gas-Guzzling Climate Change Hypocrite
Germany still constructing new coal power stations | Airclim

The only reason that nobody has tried to build a new coal power plant in Australia is because of the political thuggery of lunatic left greens activists who have waged an unprecedented campaign of intimidation against our lily-livered banks and the ongoing attempts to tax and regulate coal power out of existence. Even the closure of Hazelwood was catalysed by Daniel Andrews' state government massively increasing the coal royalties that the owners had to pay:

 

[cove]

I remain concerned that the younger high achievers in Australia will leave for a better tax jurisdiction. The Labor tax plan does not work well for these folks and they are the ones who can fire up the economy when it is needed. Moving their tax rates towards half is just plain crazy.

 

[I love to travel]

I remain concerned that the younger high achievers in Australia will leave for a better tax jurisdiction. The Labor tax plan does not work well for these folks and they are the ones who can fire up the economy when it is needed. Moving their tax rates towards half is just plain crazy.

I would love to work overseas for a few years, completely agree with you. If only I could make it happen, there isn't a demand for allied health and social services policy managers over 40!!!

 

[amaroo]

I see the son has inherited his dad’s sense of humour. Top marks for this one!