An Awful Qantas Experience That Must Be Shared.

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Qantas continues to oversell its Business Class as a premium product which, when compared to other carriers, it can no longer claim to be. It is so obvious that they have cut costs in every conceivable way. This is no business class experience! Il-fitting pajamas that make everyone look like inmates of an insane asylum and cosmetic bags containing cheap unbranded products are hardly a differentiator, and as good as it gets. Qantas is about shareholder returns and not about passengers.

QF 63 and QF 64 Sydney – Johannesburg we rate as the worst flight experiences we have had traveling out of Australia.

- How Neil Perry can put his name to the slop they serve defeats logic. He must be paid a good packet to turn a blind eye. Would he sit and eat the food himself? I doubt it. Food served on tiny plates with enormous heavy metal cutlery.

- My daughter had a vegetarian option which can only be described as an inedible health hazard. Her "starter" consisted of some chopped up old carrots and celery, wilted lettuce and a bendy cucumber wrapped in plastic. The veggies were days old, with nothing to dip it in. Her main consisted of cold, sticky noodles with some kind of slimy veggies and chunks of uncooked hard tofu on top. I doubt a single Qantas employee would even be willing to taste it. We were told that she could not eat from the regular menu as there were no meals left and that we should consider ordering Asian vegetarian in future. No meals left!!! So generous.

- My chicken entree looked like the worst microwave meal you could buy in a supermarket. Inedible. My wife's Kingklip fish would bounce at least two meters high if you dropped it on the floor, which was tempting. Both our courses were ice cold. The veggies were cooked days in advance and inedible. The starter shepherd's pie was like cat food, gristly, brown slosh salty.

- When the closely guarded desert trolley made its way around and we had the nerve to ask for the cheese AND the desert the response was rude and we were talked down to like school children. How dare we ask for TWO deserts? Heaven forbid. We were only allowed one desert. The cheese plate had a piece of brie and a slice of chedder with frozen dried apricots and a couple of soggy crackers and some old grapes! My daughters ice cream was frozen rock hard from dry ice and she could not get a spoon in it and gave up. The only in-flight snacks were a -chocolate bar I have never heard of –“Nosh” and small old bruised red apples.--- Breakfast was similarly inedible.

.-The staff to guest ratio is enormous. Food is given to you and a half an hour later they bring the next course. You sit having to look at the wilting and congealing food in front of you. They do not respond to the call button, and drinks are not refreshed.

- The least said about the amenities kit the better. Whilst other airlines use well-known, quality products in their kits, Qantas has clearly found the cheapest possible products and wrapped it in a brand that is supposed to sound sophisticated but smells bad. Go learn from Qatar, Emirates and Catha, Thai who take pride in what they present. Nothing but a cheap little token gesture with Qantas. The bag looked like a toddler’s pencil case our fellow passengers remarked.

- The seats are old and worn through. Both mine and my daughter's seats were broken on the return trip. Hers could only be all the way up or all the way down. My footrest collapsed to the ground when the seat was set to the flat position. The crew could not fix either seat, so they offered us 10000 points each as a compensation. That did not compensate for the discomfort experienced when you have paid for comfort. I could not lie flat. They made a big issue about finding us a second pillow as they only have one pillow per guest!

- Despite pre-booking seats, they were not allocated to us. We sat at the front of the plane near a brightly lit storage cupboard that the crew were back and forth to the whole trip, making sleeping impossible
- The outgoing crew, on the whole, were disinterested and downright rude. None of them looked like they enjoyed their jobs. Quite the contrary. Asking for a cup of tea should not warrant eyes to be rolled. Not once did a single crew member come around to ask if any passenger needed anything. Staff were hostile to each other and did not work cooperatively,

- Return crew was better and tried harder, but we got the impression that they were embarrassed to be associated with such mediocrity and constant issues (and not just us, people around us also had problems).
- The 747 has two tiny toilets for about 35 rows in business. The hand wash was empty when we boarded and remained that way until we landed. Seriously?

At the end of both flights crew vigorously rip bedding from chairs and threw it in the storage cupboard by our chairs, picked up litter, stuffed this into plastic bags which is then shoved into over- head lockers, requiring crew to move guest’s luggage to make room for the garbage bags.

Really, do we need to experience this as business class passengers?

Joyce can say all he likes but Qantas has fallen behind the eight ball and it is slipping. Lower cost airlines like China Southern are catching up and Singapore, Cathay and Qatar are pulling away with first class service and attention to detail now the standard in their business product. We have had amazing business class flights on Garuda, Hawaiian Airlines, Thai Air, Austrian Air, Finnair, Delta, Eastern China airlines, JAL. Sadly there is no alternative to Joburg unless you fly via Asia which is well worth considering to not have to put up with Qantas.

I have to say it: I hate Qantas – Qantas does not care about the client only about profits. Neil Perry I dare you to eat the food on Business class – don’t want to think about the economy class experience
 
Sure, but it does not detract from the fact that Qantas is ripping people off.

PS what else in my post do you think has been exaggerated?

Not 35, quite right, but way too many for two measly little toilets. Whatever the number.
 
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Welcome to AFF.

Now that you've gotten that out of your system, can I suggest that you write QF some feedback detailing the shortcomings on your flights, but be clinical and use facts, take the emotion out of it.

QF can be very good, and pretty average, but so can many other carriers. QF are certainly not the cheapest, but they charge what people are willing to pay. I wouldn't say that's ripping people off if they willingly choose to pay it when there are other (admittedly indirect) options.
 
The least said about the amenities kit the better.

And yet, there are 69 words then given to the amenities kit :p

Its OK to be disappointed but when I read it was a 747, even though Ive not flown it, I keep reading its very old and tired. Any photos?

Complain to the airline, take the points and good luck.
 
Thanks. I have written to Qantas.

I have written to them numerous times before without much luck but we shall see.

Monopolising the Sydney / Jnb route, charging a packet and using the oldest planes in their fleet amounts to a ripoff.

People love to defend Qantas because of their safety record and a healthy dose of patriotism. But the product simply does not stack up when compared to others, no matter how you look at it.
 
I'm going to say it....I have flown a lot in QF J over the last 10 years, and I have to agree (as I have experienced it many times myself, esp in more recent times) with a lot of what the original poster has said. Why am I still flying QF ? I'm actually not going to be moving forwards, as work is now asking us to fly BFOD in J and i can tell you that won't be QF!!
 
PS what else in my post do you think has been exaggerated?

Not 35, quite right, but way too many for two measly little toilets. Whatever the number.

There are 12-14 Rows of J in the 747, which is essentially a third of what you claim. That includes the upper deck.

If you are going to complain to QF about the experience, fluff such as this detracts from the complaint. You will get further by being clear and concise.

It is clear you aren't happy with the experience, why not vote with your wallet and look at options such as VA/SA via PER if you don't want to detour via Asia/ME.
 
I have had a couple of pretty ordinary flights in J on the SYD-JNB route so I can empathise with the OP even though the post comes over as a rant. A couple of comments from me. The toilet situation is poor (even though the claim about 35 rows is rather exaggerated) as when the planes were refurbed the number was reduced to allow extra PE seats. When people change into pjs and then wanted to change back before landing it was very congested. Even the FAs agreed. I have come across rude staff not only on this leg but on a number of international flights off and on so I am not surprised by the OP's comments about eye-rolling etc; a lack of consistency in service standards is something that is often mentioned about QF. The planes used on this route are pretty old (though some like the unrefurbed birds with the old F seats) so again malfunctioning seats is not really surprising. I have looked at using other airlines to go in through the middle east or Singapore and next time might choose one of those.
 
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The least said about the amenities kit the better.

And yet, there are 69 words then given to the amenities kit :p

Its OK to be disappointed but when I read it was a 747, even though Ive not flown it, I keep reading its very old and tired. Any photos?

Complain to the airline, take the points and good luck.
There are 12-14 Rows of J in the 747, which is essentially a third of what you claim. That includes the upper deck.

If you are going to complain to QF about the experience, fluff such as this detracts from the complaint. You will get further by being clear and concise.

It is clear you aren't happy with the experience, why not vote with your wallet and look at options such as VA/SA via PER if you don't want to detour via Asia/ME.

OK, ok that was an exaggeration. Does that make everything else I say invalid? Fluff?
 
Strip away the emotive language and I think the OP makes some valid points that QF needs to consider.
The cutlery is appalling - it is like a camping kit.
The content of the amenity kit is minimal and for business it doesn't compare with the competitors.
Staff service on QF is not consistent, in recent times I have had exceptionally good QF crew, but in the past I have experienced off hand and rude crew members.
The food can also be variable in quality, although I have not experienced anything a poor as was described by the OP, I have had meals that I have asked to be reheated and some that I just couldn't eat.
The 747s are definitely showing their age.
The number of toilets is inadequate.
Snacks outside of meal time are limited - on my last flight the only thing they could offer me was chocolate. I said that I didn't want anything sweet and was given another packet of pretzels and cashews.
Inflight entertainment screens offer a fairly poor quality viewing experience.
 
Sure, but it does not detract from the fact that Qantas is ripping people off.

PS what else in my post do you think has been exaggerated?

Not 35, quite right, but way too many for two measly little toilets. Whatever the number.

Thanks. I have written to Qantas.

I have written to them numerous times before without much luck but we shall see.

Monopolising the Sydney / Jnb route, charging a packet and using the oldest planes in their fleet amounts to a ripoff.

People love to defend Qantas because of their safety record and a healthy dose of patriotism. But the product simply does not stack up when compared to others, no matter how you look at it.

OK, ok that was an exaggeration. Does that make everything else I say invalid? Fluff?
Thanks Puska, I also have experienced "issues" but I don't think they (the OP) have really addressed any issues they originally raised
 
Seriously? I just did those flights over Xmas. The food and service was outstanding. I can’t even be bothered reading your whinge. If your daughter doesn’t like the vegetarian option, maybe she shouldn’t be so bloody fussy. I am so over silly young girls and their “Look at me! I’m so special...I’m GF & have weird and wonderful food allergies”! Personally, I think most of it is just an eating disorder or blatant attention seeking!

Also, how many other airlines even offer pYjamas in Business class?



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Ohh, tell us what you really think:D
 
Seriously? I just did those flights over Xmas. The food and service was outstanding. I can’t even be bothered reading your whinge. If your daughter doesn’t like the vegetarian option, maybe she shouldn’t be so bloody fussy. I am so over silly young girls and their “Look at me! I’m so special...I’m GF & have weird and wonderful food allergies”! Personally, I think most of it is just an eating disorder or blatant attention seeking!

Also, how many other airlines even offer pYjamas in Business class?



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I’m glad you had a great experience ALH. Our last flight was certainly not outstanding in terms or food and service, far from it. Adult daughter who flew J separately to us had even ruder staff. That’s part of the problem - inconsistency. When I pay a premium price (as we pay for most of our J flights in cash) I expect decent service and product.
 
BTW. Can someone tell me the difference between pre booking and booking? Is there a secret booking process I’m unaware of?
I think in the OP's context they are meaning the allocation of seats during the period prior to check-in. Booking would mean booking your flight and pre booking would be the ability to pre order your food options prior to flying, as in SQ BTC. IMO
 
I totally agree with the underlying points.So much so that I abandoned QFF as my major loyalty program in 2007 and from this year will not be flying out of Australia on QF.
So many other options and often cheaper.
 
I totally agree with the underlying points.So much so that I abandoned QFF as my major loyalty program in 2007 and from this year will not be flying out of Australia on QF.
So many other options and often cheaper.

I fly almost exclusively on QF domestically, but have found partner options (code share or OE) to suit me better with most of (but not all) of my international travel. Mind you, unlike many here, my International travel schedule is quite tame. I guess there are many underlying aspects to the overall offering , which if were different, we might get a different experience.. I’m currently in Lombok, and the resort here has a ratio of staff to guests around 1.5 to 1. I’m fairly certain that wouldn’t work in Australia, for obvious reasons.
I’m not an aviation expert, So I cant say with any certainty what Cabin crew and pilots with QF are paid compared to other airlines, and how that impacts on the cost of operating the fleet they have, I also expect that (QF) being based at the bottom of the world, is somewhat Disadvantaged . So while I’m not making excuses for QF, I’m not convinced that there is a level playing field.
I seem to recall there was some talk a free years back about basing operations overseas, in a more , shall we say “competitive industrial relations” environment.
For now, I am reasonably happy with my QF experiences. ..... for now ;)
 
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