Another London Terror Attack - London Bridge & Borough Market.

[Melburnian1]

It's time to stop the poisonous moronic hate-mongering.

Can't you deal with the fact, BacchusMarsh, that the West is, as Australia's most read and respected columnist Andrew Bolt says, at war with Islam?

 

[BacchusMarsh]

Can't you deal with the fact, BacchusMarsh, that the West is, as Australia's most read and respected columnist Andrew Bolt says, at war with Islam?

I don't think you understand what a "fact" is.

 

[Cruiser Elite]

Australia's most read and respected columnist Andrew Bolt

Seriously?

 

[OATEK]

It's time to stop the poisonous moronic hate-mongering.

Isn't that what PM May was saying in relation to Youtube/IOT?

 

[Melburnian1]

I don't think you understand what a "fact" is.

I beg to differ.

Look at the allegedly IS-linked terrorist attack in Brighton tonight.

No, not Brighton, Sussex, UK.

Brighton, Melbourne. Sadly, at least one innocent person died.

The alleged perpetrator even rang the Channel 7 newsroom to say 'this is for IS.'

(And still some Australians cannot comprehend what is occurring.)

Do we need a similar occurrence in Main Street, Bacchus Marsh before you understand?

 

[theweaselsteve]

Australia's most read and respected columnist Andrew Bolt

I don't know the numbers, maybe he is the most read. Suggesting he is the most respected is ridiculous IMO. How do you know this?

 

[lovetravellingoz]

I beg to differ.

Look at the allegedly IS-linked terrorist attack in Brighton tonight.

No, not Brighton, Sussex, UK.

Brighton, Melbourne. Sadly, at least one innocent person died.

The alleged perpetrator even rang the Channel 7 newsroom to say 'this is for IS.'

(And still some Australians cannot comprehend what is occurring.)

Do we need a similar occurrence in Main Street, Bacchus Marsh before you understand?

Understand?

So we need to declare war on Islam, ultimately kill millions on all sides and then the Bolt's of the world will be pleased?

So tell me are you just going to go around shooting everyone that you think is a Muslim? Or perhaps make them wear a Yellow Crescent on their clothes? It it concentration camps? Or is that you will send them back where they came from- ignoring that many have been born where they live.


ISIS is giving the nuts, psychopaths and malcontents inspiration to do evil. Yes ISIS needs to be stamped out, but a greater evil would be to declare war on all of Islam.

Declaring war on Islam is as about as sensible as declaring War on Ireland due to the IRA.


But lets start WW3 as it may just send Bolt's readership even higher. That plus ISIS will be delighted as it would be exactly what they want.

 

[clazman]

The problem is there is no solution to ISIS, I cant see the West sitting down and having peace talks with them.

History has shown us that the Middle East is just a constant hot bed of problems, would it be fair to say that the likes of Saddam Hussein have controlled the problems to a certain extent in the past?

In my little world, stopping ISIS will require the Islamic world to stand up and work with the country's in the region to find the solution.

 

[drron]

Of course we don't have to declare war on Islam but we really need to understand it is a major problem world wide.
In the first 10 days of Ramadan 2017 there have been 55 attacks in the name of Islam in 17 countries with 592 deaths.The majority of victims are muslim.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Of course we don't have to declare war on Islam but we really need to understand it is a major problem world wide.
In the first 10 days of Ramadan 2017 there have been 55 attacks in the name of Islam in 17 countries with 592 deaths.The majority of victims are muslim.

If they keep that up for a year they will exceed the annual USA Murder Rate...



And yes I agree it is a major problem. I just disagree that the way to solve it is by attacking Islam.

I also personally do not believe that it is Islam that causes it, but rather people that manipulate others. Unfortunately the Charlie Mansons of the world keep emerging that can brainwash others do do evil....or to push the fire button to launch a rocket at a Malaysia Airlines jet.

 

[moa999]

In the first 10 days of Ramadan 2017 there have been 55 attacks in the name of Islam in 17 countries with 592 deaths.The majority of victims are muslim.

Correct far more Muslim v Muslim issues or Sunni v Shia.

At the more moderate end of the spectrum we can see the recent political moves with Qatar, albeit that's far more complicated than Sunni v Shia (Qatar is actually Sunni and the same branch as Saudi Arabia)

 

[drron]

But Qatar and Iran share the world's largest natural gas field and in mid April both announced increased production from the field-
Qatar restarts development of world's biggest gas field after 12-year freeze | Reuters

On the other hand Qatar is an ally of Saudi Arabia and the US in the gas pipeline to Europe against the Iranian pipeline backed by Assad and Russia.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-09/

A mixed up part of the world.

 

[Quickstatus]

That's the problem. As soon anyone says anything negative about Islam, they are labelled racists, Islamohobes, and wanting to declare war on Ismail.
No one is declaring war on Islam.
However the religion and its followers have a major problem and that is radical Islam is not the purview of a few nutjobs in a Waco like compound. Radical Islam and its extreme anti civilisation view of the world is sympathised by millions. Many living among peace loving Muslims.
The head in the sand approach pretending it's all rosy does not work.
I find it interesting that mass demonstrations occur when a cartoon is published but similar outrage is not exhibited when crazies terrorise in the name of the same religion.
I see more finger pointing at men in general to clean up domestic violence against women than at Islam when Islamic terrorist kill and maim
In the US, when there is mass murder due to a crazy using guns there is hysterical calls to ban guns. Strange there is a distinct silence calling for the banning of radical Islamic when Islamic terrorists terrorise peaceful populations.

 

[opusman]

Always amusing to see idiots demanding we give the terrorists exactly what they want...

 

[Quickstatus]

Always amusing to see idiots demanding we give the terrorists exactly what they want...

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re more Americans killed by other Americans.

Lets take the "black lives matter" issue . Blacks killed by white cops. (But the number is so small compared to black on black murders and white police kill twice as many whites as blacks). So is born the widespread condemnation of police with demonstrations in the street and politicians up to the 44th Potus giving oxygen to the movement. However by your logic because the numbers of black deaths by police compared with black on black deaths is a lot smaller Americans should not complain about this issue - but they do.

Strange no one is applying the same logic about Islamic terrorism


Using the above data only 180 Americans killed by Islamic terrorists in the last 20 years?

There is a risk of death just by living - your premise is that Islamic terrorism kills so few it should be regarded as just another risk that we dont really need to be too concerned about.. However most will find Islamic terrorism an unacceptable risk. Nuclear power is pretty safe too very few have died over the years because of it. However despite the proven safety record many find the risk unacceptable. Islamic extremism and terrorism is unacceptable - thousands have been killed, millions made homeless. Countless enslaved, raped and maimed. Their entire livelihood destroyed. The destruction impossible to quantify. Let's stamp it out

 

[lovetravellingoz]

In the US, when there is mass murder due to a crazy using guns there is hysterical calls to ban guns. Strange there is a distinct silence calling for the banning of radical Islamic when Islamic terrorists terrorise peaceful populations.

Well firstly good luck with trying to ban any religion. History would demonstrate that you have Buckley's.


However the calls in this thread were against Islam, and not just radical Islam.


Your post is as logical as demanding that the Roman Catholic Faith should be banned due to paedophile priests that have been raping children for centuries. Many have committed suicide from the abuse. ISIS is as about as religious as those priests.


PS Can you actually name even one person who has advocated "The head in the sand approach and pretending it's all rosy""

 

[Quickstatus]

Ban Islam?. Here we go again. No just radical Islam.
The church and pedo priests - yes they should take ownership / liability of the problem in a manner acceptable to the public, and stamp it out. One thing Gillard got right was to bring this to the public forum with a Royal commision

who has their head in the sand?. Let's see - ABC commentator some years ago who proposed that an envoy should be sent to Bin Laden and sit down with him and talk nicely and reason with him to stop what he is doing.

" On the "realistic" way to deal with terror leader Osama bin Laden: "What if that involved bringing him somewhere, absolutely safely, sitting down with him, treating him like a human being and talking about it, and then Osama bin Laden going home again, not bombing the hell out of bin Laden?

 

[theweaselsteve]

So how exactly do we ban radical Islam?

I would suggest a diplomatic process that doesn't involve supplying arms to suspect regimes, along with a willingness to start a dialogue MIGHT go some way towards starting the process. I fear that we're a long way down a road that no-one wants to be on.

Suggesting we ban a religion, whether it's "radical" or not is, I fear, going to divide us more than bring the peace that every one desires.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

who has their head in the sand?. Let's see - ABC commentator some years ago who proposed that an envoy should be sent to Bin Laden and sit down with him and talk nicely and reason with him to stop what he is doing.

" On the "realistic" way to deal with terror leader Osama bin Laden: "What if that involved bringing him somewhere, absolutely safely, sitting down with him, treating him like a human being and talking about it, and then Osama bin Laden going home again, not bombing the hell out of bin Laden?

Well I was actually meaning here on the forum.

But if you are now talking of the whole wide world, if that is the best you can do it proves my point.



Bin Laden was not banned by the way, but assassinated. Drastic, but completely necessary.

 

[drron]

Always amusing to see idiots demanding we give the terrorists exactly what they want...

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Don't believe everything you read on the internet.Nearly 250 have been killed in the 15 years since 1/6/2002 by people doing it in the name of Islam.
That excludes episodes such as the Beltway murders as the fellow was insane.Yet the "right wing"terrorists are counted even if they have a severe mental illness.Also counted are events where no explanation has been given or discovered.So apples and oranges.