Should I stay or should I go (EuroZone)

[Quickstatus]

Au contraire.

Peaceful majority is irrelevant because they are silent at best, sympathetic to the terrorist moral cause at worst.

The majority of gun owners are peaceful, only a few radicals, criminals, mad types causing gun violence.
However despite the peaceful majority ALL gun owners are subjected to stringent checks and conditions and in general guns are banned especially the high powered types.

Only 3 bombers in Brussels but every airline traveller is subjected to checks before they are allowed to board a plane. It does not matter what we the peaceful majority say we still get checked and searched.

In Germany /Japan peaceful majority were irrelevant because they were silent or partly sympathetic to the cause of Imperialism. Very few sought to stick their heads out to denounce their country's actions. And despite the peaceful majority their cities were bombed and annihilated.

Radical muslims causing a lot of strife. Do we say Islam has an issue?. If the peaceful majority of Muslims want to be relevant they need to do a lot more to prevent Islamic related terrorism. Not sit on the fence. Not stay quiet. Be black and white No ifs and buts.

If it's Ok for domestic violence to tell men to not be silent and stand up about domestic violence, then it's ok for all Muslims to be asked to stand up and denounce Islamic terrorism.

 

[marki]

That ........,But I don't agree we label all Muslims terrorists.

You don't have to as the silent majority are irrelevant !

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Au contraire.

Peaceful majority is irrelevant because they are silent at best, sympathetic to the terrorist moral cause at worst.

The majority of gun owners are peaceful, only a few radicals, criminals, mad types causing gun violence.
However despite the peaceful majority ALL gun owners are subjected to stringent checks and conditions and in general guns are banned especially the high powered types.

Only 3 bombers in Brussels but every airline traveller is subjected to checks before they are allowed to board a plane. It does not matter what we the peaceful majority say we still get checked and searched.

In Germany /Japan peaceful majority were irrelevant because they were silent or partly sympathetic to the cause of Imperialism. Very few sought to stick their heads out to denounce their country's actions. And despite the peaceful majority their cities were bombed and annihilated.

Radical muslims causing a lot of strife. Do we say Islam has an issue?. If the peaceful majority of Muslims want to be relevant they need to do a lot more to prevent Islamic related terrorism. Not sit on the fence. Not stay quiet. Be black and white No ifs and buts.

If it's Ok for domestic violence to tell men to not be silent and stand up about domestic violence, then it's ok for all Muslims to be asked to stand up and denounce Islamic terrorism.

The problem with the 'irrelevant majority' argument is summed up in the final sentence (my bolding). If the peaceful majority are irrelevant, men standing up against domestic violence would be irrelevant.

If a person wants to promote a racist or anti-religious agenda, the 'irrelevant majority' argument would suit them well.

 

[marki]

The problem with the 'irrelevant majority' argument is summed up in the final sentence (my bolding). If the peaceful majority are irrelevant, men standing up against domestic violence would be irrelevant.

If a person wants to promote a racist or anti-religious agenda, the 'irrelevant majority' argument would suit them well.

You've lost me....


When a Turkish child was accidentally served a Pork patty at school by mistake. ( German Bordertown) Everyone in that class was eating the carefully prepared pork meal. However the Turkish girl was suppose to receive a chicken patty instead. The teacher realised the mistake, switched the meal and apologised for the genuine mistake.
Next day the Turkish relatives and friends crowded the headmasters demanding the school teacher be sacked a 59 year old female.

Guess what she got sacked !

Did you know there is a mini - Islamic republic located in a high rise building located at Ernest Reuter place in Berlin?
The Muslim owner was able to manipulate an old Clause saying that anyone renting / living in the building would have to honour his religion and sign a agreement that they will respect/ practise the building owners religion. ( it's legal )

German legal system honours Shariat law too Notabene

 

[MEL_Traveller]

You've lost me....

I was pointing out that the 'majority is irrelevant' argument doesn't hold water.

 

[marki]

The problem with the 'irrelevant majority' argument is summed up in the final sentence (my bolding). If the peaceful majority are irrelevant, men standing up against domestic violence would be irrelevant.

If a person wants to promote a racist or anti-religious agenda, the 'irrelevant majority' argument would suit them well.

You've lost me....


When a Turkish child was accidentally served a Pork patty at school by mistake. ( German Bordertown) Everyone in that class was eating the carefully prepared pork meal. However the Turkish girl was suppose to receive a chicken patty instead. The teacher realised the mistake, switched the meal and apologised for the genuine mistake.
Next day the Turkish relatives and friends crowded the headmasters office demanding the school teacher be sacked a 59 year old female.

Guess what she got sacked !

Did you know there is a mini - Islamic republic located in a high rise building located at Ernest Reuter place in Berlin?
The Muslim owner was able to manipulate an old Clause saying that anyone renting / living in the building would have to honour his religion and sign a agreement that they will respect/ practise the building owners religion. ( it's legal )
Notabene:
German legal system honours Shariat law too.

The Middle and the Eastern European countries won't be that easily manipulated. They remember being manipulated all to much in Yalta and Tehran at meetings of the big Three, Churchill, Roosevelt, Stalin. Which really came down to the Two, Roosevelt and Good old Uncle Joe. The 32nd President of the USA did not care about Europe and gave it all to Happy USSR. Roosevelt had little understanding being surrounded by Stalins Spies was lobbied aggressively and General Patton new it( Communism was evil).These were happy times for Stalin.

These European countries have new freedoms, they fought hard to win it! WW2 only recently ended for them.

Look what happened to Georgia look what happened to Ukraine, (Crimea) Already invaded by Russia.

It's looking shaky in the Baltic States and Poland ?

Summary : it's very complicated but it looks like EU has a limited life left.

 

[marki]

Sorry the above is due to recent AFF App enhancements, I am somehow posting half a post then another full post

 

[drron]

That article provides commentary designed to lead you to a specific outcome.

Let's have a look at the first link:



They could have said '80% of British Muslims condemn' the 7/7 bombers, but they didn't. They focus on the 20% who did.

Opening the link reveals the following (my bolding):



So that fist link in the article could have gone from '20% support 7/7 bombers' to '99% condemn 7/7 atrocity'. But that's not where the article wants to take you.

I'm not condoning the atrocities that have happened, and some of the stats give rise for concern. But I don't agree we label all Muslims terrorists.

So you picked 1 poll and it was dodgy.Were all the polls dodgy?Of course not.
Quite a few conducted by such right wing organisations such as the BBC and CBS in America.
There are 1.5 billion muslims in the world.If just 1% believe in extremism that is 15 million extremists.That is a problem for the world and Islam.

You know you remind me of Neville Chamberlain.Peace in our time.He was hailed for his success yet he was so wrong.
It is not being racist or anti-religious to suggest there is a problem today with extremist Islam.

Besides there are already enough anti-religious sentiments expressed here.And for everyone's information the IRA was a Nationalist organisation fighting first for an independent Ireland then for reunification.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

It is not being racist or anti-religious to suggest there is a problem today with extremist Islam.

Correct - radical Islam. I have no issue with that being a crisis which needs resolving.

But this thread hasn't been about that. People have been attempting to push an agenda that all Muslims are a problem because a sub-set are radical.

 

[Quickstatus]

Some say the radicals are 10-15%. Not sure but the numbers are unimportant. You only need one or two or20 to terrorise. Maybe some even quietly sympathise with the radicals. But the vast majority are completely irrelevant because the radicals will carry on regardless of whether the rest of world treats Islam as a peaceful religion. Chamberlain thought that be appeasing the German naz_s that Europe /Britain would be safe. Aren't we doing the same?. Did the naz_s / Japanese care about the peaceful majority?.

Time for the world to say that Islam has a big problem. So what if most Muslims are peaceful.

The he lessons of WW2 really have been forgotten . "Lest we forget" was not necessarily a reminder of the horrors of war but that there is a price that must be paid to achieve long lasting peace and it is not appeasement, or recognising that your fellow Muslim is peaceful.

 

[amaroo]

Correct - radical Islam. I have no issue with that being a crisis which needs resolving.

But this thread hasn't been about that. People have been attempting to push an agenda that all Muslims are a problem because a sub-set are radical.

BS ....(filler)

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Some say the radicals are 10-15%. Not sure but the numbers are unimportant. You only need one or two or20 to terrorise. Maybe some even quietly sympathise with the radicals. But the vast majority are completely irrelevant because the radicals will carry on regardless of whether the rest of world treats Islam as a peaceful religion. Chamberlain thought that be appeasing the German naz_s that Europe /Britain would be same. Aren't we doing the same?. Did the naz_s / Japanese care about the peaceful majority?.

Time for the world to say that Islam has a big problem. So what if most Muslims are peaceful.

The he lessons of WW2 really have been forgotten . "Lest we forget" was not necessarily a reminder of the horrors of war but that there is a price that must be paid to achieve long lasting peace and it is not appeasement, or recognising that your fellow Muslim is peaceful.

As I have already pointed out, the peaceful majority is relevant. It is relevant every time we leave the house. Every time we catch a train, a bus, a plane, or walk the streets. The peaceful majority (across all people - irrespective of religion, race, gender, or any other factor) are what makes it safe for us to go about our daily business.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

BS ....(filler)

Just have a look at post #310 as an example.

 

[amaroo]

The perfect song for this thread!


[video=youtube;y6cR5furQac]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6cR5furQac[/video]

 

[Quickstatus]

Respectfully disagree.

Brussels, Paris, San Bernadino, Bali, 9/11, Syria, Iraq.

 

[amaroo]

Just have a look at post #310 as an example.

310 looks like common sense.

 

[Quickstatus]

Ok time to lighten the tone a bit....

What is a good buy for the Euro? going to FRA in April

0.67?

 

[Moindardt]

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.

It is only acceptable to criticise the Catholic church and White middle-class males these days. Everything else is off the table. Look at the massive amount of criticism of the whole church affair. There has probably been less pedophiles in the church than there has been suicide bombers in first world countries in the same time period (or a week in third world). However, unlike muslims, the Catholic church is actively involved in all areas of our society. Good luck with the broken economy if the church stopped providing education and healthcare and you had to rely on the dodgy government system. But that is another discussion.

The simple fact is Islam is a religion of hate and it is the left wing liberals of the world that are totally complicit in it. Everytime a westerner does anything against a muslim, even one planning a mass murder, they are crucified and yet muslims do horrific deeds and they are silent. Where are all these do gooders and left-wingers, why aren't they attacking and burning down offices after the courts let off those 3 in Sydney for the genital mutilation of those young girls. We know what they would have done if they were Catholics.

I find it hard to be sympathetic for the very society that has let their liberalism to be the very cause of their own downfall. As always, the very principles of the people that fought and died so that these oxygen-thieves could express their views are attacked. These terrorist attacks will happen more and more. I just wish they would attack a left-wing black LGBT conference so they might actually get around to expressing true outrage. Would love to be the officer that tells them they knew the guy was going to do it but because he had to be caught in the act, they couldn't stop it.

 

[legroom]

Tangential to the discussion to lighten the mood !

En route to ZRH

Don't want to cancel the trip as it would feed into the narrative of those "Do-it-my-way or Die" zealots.

BTW, the insurance is up to date .... just in case.

 

[Moindardt]

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Tangential to the discussion to lighten the mood !

En route to ZRH

Don't want to cancel the trip as it would feed into the narrative of those "Do-it-my-way or Die" zealots.

BTW, the insurance is up to date .... just in case.

My wife and I are on our way to Dubai (via AUH) next weekend and she is stressing big time about our first time away from them. After Brussels, she is so worried about the plane getting bombed or a suicide bomber and leaving the kids an orphan (says this while hugging them all in front of me for dramatic effect). I reminded her we were both worth a lot more dead than alive. All the kids said enjoy the trip and walked off