Crazy passengers on Aussie flights driven by alcohol

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Alcohol is the biggest factor fuelling shameful behaviour on Australian flights, including sexual activity and attacking others with foul language in front of small children.


Australian Federal Police case summaries stretching back four years show the vast majority of offensive and disorderly behaviour cases they investigated involved alcohol, according to documents obtained by a freedom of information request.


Offending passengers were often so drunk that their questioning had to be delayed and one research organisation has called for stiffer penalties for drunk flyers.

You can read the actual documents from this site until 29 Sept 2016 (40/2015 2015/438).

While most people consume alcohol responsibly it could be argued that ceasing the service of alcohol on planes would be of benefit to the broader flying community especially including staff.

The prohibition of carriage of previously purchased duty free alcohol products would almost certainly eliminate many of these incidents.
 
Everyone handles alcohol differently.

I can have 16 beers and be as quiet as a church mouse and not bother anyone. Other people can have 2-3 drinks and go crazy. I am not saying I want to have 16 beers all the time but the option should be there to allow me to have a drink if I so wish.

One possible solution to the problem is these type of offences need to carry stiffer penalties not just a slap on the wrist.
 
I do enjoy a beer or two during flights and agree with JohnK that everyone handles it differently. For me, the more I drink, friendlier I become and jokes around but never harm anybody and still remain aware if I am causing anyone any discomfort.

In saying that, there should be something in place to deter this sort of behavior. Like Chris Gayle being fined $10K for flirting with the journo, I bet he wont be doing that again!
 
I do enjoy a beer or two during flights and agree with JohnK that everyone handles it differently. For me, the more I drink, friendlier I become and jokes around but never harm anybody and still remain aware if I am causing anyone any discomfort.

In saying that, there should be something in place to deter this sort of behavior. Like Chris Gayle being fined $10K for flirting with the journo, I bet he wont be doing that again!

You can read the actual documents from this site until 29 Sept 2016 (40/2015 2015/438).

While most people consume alcohol responsibly it could be argued that ceasing the service of alcohol on planes would be of benefit to the broader flying community especially including staff.

The prohibition of carriage of previously purchased duty free alcohol products would almost certainly eliminate many of these incidents.

Thanks Hvr great article (topic)

Being witness to many a drunken outburst I am all for increasing fines but ceasing is like saying goodbye to Qantas Epiqure and bye bye to first class champagne.
 
Why can't we just remove the RSA laws and criminalise voluntary intoxication?

If someone wants to get drunk, that is their prerogative, and funeral, if so be it. No one should be egging them on to drink much more, but putting the onus and responsibility on the alcohol provider and not the drinker is ridiculous.

As for crimes that occur on board aircraft, they should have penalties as stiff if not stiffer than the same crime committed on the ground. If someone assaulted someone else on the ground, a defence of "I was drunk when I normally would not do that" wouldn't buy you out of trouble (at least, most of the time). Same thing with defacing, destroying or damaging public property; indecent exposure or immoral behaviour in public; verbal assault or threats...

The sooner that justice systems around the world enact a much firmer stance on dealing with criminal misdemeanours on aircraft, the better. In such a confined space, devoid of immediate help from authorities, that should be taken into account by magistrates when hearing a case.
 
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Banning alcohol isn't the answer as it only punishes those who are responsible and serial offenders will always find a way to smuggle it on to their flight, drink to excess prior to boarding or rely more on drugs which people often don't take until they are onboard which they often combine with alcohol.

It's really up to the individual to start taking responsibility for their actions or wear the consequences. Fellow passengers and airline crews are sick and tired of having their flight delayed while some cough has to be taken off a flight and their baggage offloaded.

Saw one idiot taken off a BNE/TSV flight last week trying to convince about 9 police that he should've been allowed to travel and that that should look at the video footage of him boarding his previous SYD/BNE flight etc etc. Don't know what that would prove as the fact he was allowed to board his previous flight is irrelevant as he could've been sober then knocked off half a slab in transit in BNE. Again the all care no responsibility scenario rears its head again.
 
Banning alcohol isn't the answer as it only punishes those who are responsible and serial offenders will always find a way to smuggle it on to their flight, drink to excess prior to boarding or rely more on drugs which people often don't take until they are onboard which they often combine with alcohol.

It's really up to the individual to start taking responsibility for their actions or wear the consequences. Fellow passengers and airline crews are sick and tired of having their flight delayed while some cough has to be taken off a flight and their baggage offloaded.

Jim Jeffries, an Australian comedian living in the USA, said once in a standup that (paraphrased) society can't work on the principle of complete liberalism. That is, we need rules and restrictions in place so that everyone can be somewhat ensured to do the right thing. As put by him, "we have to walk as slow as the slowest walker of society or the whole thing doesn't work. We should be able to take drugs as much as we want, but we can't because she took drugs and stabbed her kids. Similarly we should be able to drive our cars as fast as we want, but we can't because that idiot over there crashed and messed it up for us all."

I guess one can argue that why have we had gun control and a restriction on smoking. I have my own opinions about those, and they don't necessarily line up with the theory that assumes "why not, if everyone is responsible."

If alcohol ends up being banned on board (apart from the fact that Australia, a western Anglophone country, would be one of the few countries in the world where flights must be dry), then stringent, legal consequences should follow for anyone who is suspected of consuming alcohol on board an aircraft at all. If this means breath testing and forced detention of anyone who exceeds a certain threshold, or forced bag searches, so be it, though I doubt crew on an aircraft will ever be granted those sort of powers. You will also run into ridiculous problems for flights leaving Australia, even on Qantas or Virgin Australia (where it is assumed that Australian jurisdiction primarily holds on these aircraft whilst in the air), unless all countries which Australia has air connections with have similar punishments for breaking the dry law.

Banning alcohol on board certainly seems like a be-all end-all to "solve" the problem but carries a huge can of worms and is not necessarily feasibly enforceable.

As far as I am concerned, any sane person should be well aware that almost all medicines and alcohol do not mix well together. Combine that with the effect of air travel and any one who thinks that the effects of combining those three are benign is either a legend or a complete and utter idiot. Intoxication before boarding can be similarly policed, subject to gate checks armed with sufficient legal powers, but those who slip on board should be subjected to greater penalties if they do not control themselves whilst on board (naturally any criminal activity related to their intoxication should be chargeable in and of itself as well as that of voluntary intoxication).

Saw one idiot taken off a BNE/TSV flight last week trying to convince about 9 police that he should've been allowed to travel and that that should look at the video footage of him boarding his previous SYD/BNE flight etc etc. Don't know what that would prove as the fact he was allowed to board his previous flight is irrelevant as he could've been sober then knocked off half a slab in transit in BNE. Again the all care no responsibility scenario rears its head again.

Too bad for him, though if my guess is spot on, police would have likely told him to calm the <expletive> down, let him cool off, then let him go and he was rebooked on the next flight without loss except time.
 
Banning alcohol on board certainly seems like a be-all end-all to "solve" the problem but carries a huge can of worms and is not necessarily feasibly enforceable.
As long as those worms are in Tequila, it's all good...(Actually a large portion of the problem, is that we tend to focus on the servers. How may times do you see on boards such as this things like 'well they shouldn't have served him.....That, in my view, is the wrong attitude. Throw the book, nay, the whole library at the drunken bum that causes the problem)
 
Why can't we just remove the RSA laws and criminalise voluntary intoxication?

If someone wants to get drunk, that is their prerogative, and funeral, if so be it. No one should be egging them on to drink much more, but putting the onus and responsibility on the alcohol provider and not the drinker is ridiculous.

Did you even read what you wrote? Define intoxication? Are you seriously suggesting that I need to have a criminal record if I drink half a bottle of wine and a couple of beers?

As for RSA are you seriously suggesting an intoxicated alcoholic should decide if they have another drink? IMO it is entirely sensible for a sober provider of alcohol to decide when someone has had enough by objectively assessing their behaviour. RSA requires the provider to stop serving someone who is drunk, that does not remove responsibility from the drinker. To suggest it does remove responsibility from the drinker seems to misunderstand the requirements.
 
Medhead you take it to seriously I mean really.

Did you even read what you wrote? Define intoxication? Are you seriously suggesting that I need to have a criminal record if I drink half a bottle of wine and a couple of beers?

As for RSA are you seriously suggesting an intoxicated alcoholic should decide if they have another drink? IMO it is entirely sensible for a sober provider of alcohol to decide when someone has had enough by objectively assessing their behaviour. RSA requires the provider to stop serving someone who is drunk, that does not remove responsibility from the drinker. To suggest it does remove responsibility from the drinker seems to misunderstand the requirements.
 
Medhead you take it to seriously I mean really.

Do you think that the post I quoted was light hearted and jocular in nature? I don't. That poster is well known for being thoughtful and detailed in their posts.

BTW if I took it too seriously, I might send this post to the grammar thread. Really.
 
Do you think that the post I quoted was light hearted and jocular in nature? I don't. That poster is well known for being thoughtful and detailed in their posts.

BTW if I took it too seriously, I might send this post to the grammar thread. Really.

Ok ok so we are nit picking now. The bl**dy app is up cough creek. Once posted I am frequently not allowed to edit my post. Bloody auto correct drives me crazy. Hence me replying I must be taking it too seriously.
 
No I am totally against any ban... How will our Cricketers break drinking records on route to LHR?
 
No I am totally against any ban... How will our Cricketers break drinking records on route to LHR?

Cricket legends like Boonie & Doug Walters are long gone. The gen Y's we have now are sooks so less likely to happen.

Doug wouldn't say boo at the boarding gate whereas a lot of other drunks when greeted by the F/A sing like a canary and it goes downhill quickly from there. Of course that was back in the days where the only meaning for RSA was Republic of South Africa

Other signs are when they are one of the last pax to board (gotta get that 'roadie' in) and/or misplacing their boarding pass.

My 2 personal favourite responses/warning signs after greeting someone with "hi how are you today" was a) yeah good thanks I've just come in from the mines or b) yeah good thanks I've just been offshore for 3 weeks. :eek: :eek: :eek:
 
Cricket legends like Boonie & Doug Walters are long gone. The gen Y's we have now are sooks so less likely to happen.

Doug wouldn't say boo at the boarding gate whereas a lot of other drunks when greeted by the F/A sing like a canary and it goes downhill quickly from there. Of course that was back in the days where the only meaning for RSA was Republic of South Africa

Other signs are when they are one of the last pax to board (gotta get that 'roadie' in) and/or misplacing their boarding pass.

My 2 personal favourite responses/warning signs after greeting someone with "hi how are you today" was a) yeah good thanks I've just come in from the mines or b) yeah good thanks I've just been offshore for 3 weeks. :eek: :eek: :eek:

Another sweeping generalisation !:)
 
Another sweeping generalisation !:)

Saying that a comment is a sweeping generalisation is in matter of fact a sweeping generalisation is it not? :D
 
Medhead you take it to seriously I mean really.

Ok ok so we are nit picking now. The bl**dy app is up cough creek. Once posted I am frequently not allowed to edit my post. Bloody auto correct drives me crazy.

That's why I've deleted the app. It was a steaming pile of utter rubbish.

Hence me replying I must be taking it too seriously.

That's not how I read your post. ;) I'm really not sure how to resolve the difference in my reading and your restatement.
 
That's why I've deleted the app. It was a steaming pile of utter rubbish.



That's not how I read your post. ;) I'm really not sure how to resolve the difference in my reading and your restatement.
I am really not that interesting redhead, I have no attitude, I try not upset anyone except myself maybe. :mrgreen: English language has a difficult time at times and things(words) can be interpreted from ones own perspective. I have done it myself.
 
I think we need to put the report into perspective... ~89 cases for the period listed in the first document (sometime in 2013 to some time in 2015). How many hundreds of thousands (millions?) of passengers were carried in that time?
 
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