Qantas club is a scam

[mannej]

BA were never very welcoming of Qantas Club members travelling in economy class even during the heyday of the QF/BA Cooperation.

I am fully aware of this - I have had some fairly nasty comments from BA Dragons at LHR regarding the fact I was entering on QP membership.

Would it make any difference if the passenger (flying in economy class on EK) was a Qantas Gold or Platinum?

Yes - they would be afforded entry based on Status, and wouldn't need to rely on QP membership.

Would a QF flight number (operated by Emeriates) have helped?

As a QP member - no.

 

[Danger]

The FAQ answer says that access is provided according to the partnership agreement guideline, not that BA lounges can be accessed. Clearly you're inferring too much from the FAQ without checking the clearly listed supporting documentation.

Silly me. So, please tell me which BA lounges can be accessed by Qantas Club members "as part of our partner airline lounge agreement"?

 

[medhead]

Silly me. So, please tell me which BA lounges can be accessed by Qantas Club members "as part of our partner airline lounge agreement"?

Look up the partner agreement. That is the point. Don't tea half a sentence. You need to look up the partner agreement, the relevant information is on the website.

Btw since BA renamed their lounges you'll probably find the answer is none. But you can enter as many [terraces/galleries/whatevawastheoldname] (strike out those that don't apply) lounges as you like

 

[Danger]

Look up the partner agreement. That is the point. Don't tea half a sentence. You need to look up the partner agreement, the relevant information is on the website.

Come on, now. There are no BA lounges that can be accessed by Qantas Club members. The FAQ might as well say "However, British Airways, American Airlines, Air Vanuatu and SriLankan Airlines lounges can be accessed as part of our partner airline lounge agreement".

What's the point of referencing British Airways in the FAQ when Qantas Club members aren't able to access any BA lounges?

 

[harvyk]

The FAQ answer says that access is provided according to the partnership agreement guideline, not that BA lounges can be accessed. Clearly you're inferring too much from the FAQ without checking the clearly listed supporting documentation.

The whole point of browsing FAQ's is to get quick and easy answers to questions you may have, you should be able to trust an answer given on face value without needing to follow up in the supporting documentation for verification.

 

[medhead]

The whole point of browsing FAQ's is to get quick and easy answers to questions you may have, you should be able to trust an answer given on face value without needing to follow up in the supporting documentation for verification.

The fact remains the FAQ does not *just* say you can access all BA lounges. It includes a caveat that access depends on [some other document/agreement]. You and I might question the transparency of such an answer. But the answer is factually correct.

 

[harvyk]

The fact remains the FAQ does not *just* say you can access all BA lounges. It includes a caveat that access depends on [some other document/agreement]. You and I might question the transparency of such an answer. But the answer is factually correct.

So where is the caveat in "However, British Airways and American Airlines lounges can be accessed as part of our partner airline lounge agreement"
The way I read that the agreement provides access to the lounges. The sentence does not say "some", it does not specify that conditions may apply, it does not even specify what type of lounge (so based on that Concorde room, here I come... )
That sentence is even missing the lovely little stars which would normally indicate that there might be some conditions attached.

Finally there is no date attached to the page, so there is no indication that the answer may be old. So yes, a reasonable person could view that answer in it's own right and come to the logical conclusion that they would be permitted in a BA lounge.

 

[medhead]

So where is the caveat in "However, British Airways and American Airlines lounges can be accessed as part of our partner airline lounge agreement"
The way I read that the agreement provides access to the lounges. The sentence does not say "some", it does not specify that conditions may apply, it does not even specify what type of lounge (so based on that Concorde room, here I come... )
That sentence is even missing the lovely little stars which would normally indicate that there might be some conditions attached.

Finally there is no date attached to the page, so there is no indication that the answer may be old. So yes, a reasonable person could view that answer in it's own right and come to the logical conclusion that they would be permitted in a BA lounge.

Which part says all BA lounges can e accessed? It seems you reached a completely illogical conclusion.

The caveat is the partner airlines agreement, which outlines which BA lounges can be accessed. That agreement is the condition applied to the statement. Just read the stuff after BTW in one of my recent posts.

Seriously not sure why I have to keep explaining the same stuff over and over.

 

[MelUser]

During the QF/BA days when I rang Qantas Club Service Centre to clarify access info as an economy class Qantas Club member, I was given some Yes Minister answers - very Sir Humphrey Appleby - it was very circular and went around and around. The conversation ended with "if you really want lounge access you should fly in business class so as to guarantee it".

It seems that little has changed.

 

[Sdtravel]

came back from a holiday on the weekend on QF108.
accessed the BA Galleries lounge in JFK on the weekend am a QP. although this probably doesn't help anyone since you are all mainly focusing on Europe here and this was the US.

 

[timster]

In and out of Europe? Were you directly connecting to long haul flights back to Australia? If not you were indeed lucky to gain entry.

Indeed. Those were supposedly the BA "rules" at the time. QF kept saying they would "sort things out" with BA, but officially they never managed it before the big divorce.

At least half the time I was NOT connecting to/from same-day flights to/from Asia, yet I kept getting into BA lounges. Either the lounge staff didn't know the rules, or weren't enforcing them.

Or maybe it was because I was polite and dressed well. Maybe I didn't look like a typical QP pax ? I know some of you guys like to dress for the beach when flying internationally.

 

[BAM1748]

BA lounge staff have always made AA lounge staff look like they love to welcome you back. Which they actually seem to from my experience.

While not a regular Euro traveller the EK link up is a step backward for lounge access, even if being spoken down to by BA door staff.

To the horror of many here no doubt, I gave a test run to London via the US using QF and AA, I found it more relaxed and the time difference wasn't great.

Matt

 

[Danger]

Which part says all BA lounges can e accessed? It seems you reached a completely illogical conclusion.

The caveat is the partner airlines agreement, which outlines which BA lounges can be accessed. That agreement is the condition applied to the statement. Just read the stuff after BTW in one of my recent posts.

Seriously not sure why I have to keep explaining the same stuff over and over.

Which BA lounges can be accessed? My understanding is there isn't one solitary BA lounge be it Galleries, Terrace, Rainbow or otherwise that can be accessed by Qantas Club members.

 

[Archphoto]

I had a quick look at the BA "Lounge Access" info, (searched Qantas Club lounge access) and it spat this back:

1. American Airlines and Qantas offer programmes enabling customers to pay to gain access to their lounges. These programmes are not part of the oneworld agreement, and members of these programmes are not entitled to access lounges under the oneworld agreement.

Would venture to say, no QP holder can access a BA lounge unless they were flying J or above? If so, Qantas really needs to make this clear on their site or at least provide a link to the BA site ,so that QP holders have at least some chance of getting correct information directly from their chosen carrier.

 

[mannej]

Which BA lounges can be accessed? My understanding is there isn't one solitary BA lounge be it Galleries, Terrace, Rainbow or otherwise that can be accessed by Qantas Club members.

JFK - but only whilst flying QF.

 

[timster]

JFK - but only whilst flying QF.

Indeed, that is the one and only BA lounge that QP now has access to.
Lounge Locations | North America | New York JFK International Airport | Associated Lounges

And it's only buried 3 clicks deep and a couple of scroll downs from the lounge access eligilbility page.

 

[candyb]

why can't Qantas jus do a table up

'Qantas club when travelling abroad for dummies'


England flying economy on a qf flight number following lounges can be accessed
England flying economy on an ek flight number following lounges can be accessed

hong kong flying economy on a qf flight number following lounges can be accessed
hong kong flying economy on an ek flight number following lounges can be accessed

usa flying economy on a qf flight number following lounges can be accessed

new Zealand flying economy on a qf flight number following lounges can be accessed
new Zealand flying economy on an ek flight number following lounges can be accessed



then also have for business class and first class

and you would then have to have a Jetstar table as well with the * of 'if you have purchased the poverty pack upgrade to gain points and status etc'



then there would be a lot less confusion

 

[harvyk]

why can't Qantas jus do a table up

'Qantas club when travelling abroad for dummies'


England flying economy on a qf flight number following lounges can be accessed
England flying economy on an ek flight number following lounges can be accessed

hong kong flying economy on a qf flight number following lounges can be accessed
hong kong flying economy on an ek flight number following lounges can be accessed

usa flying economy on a qf flight number following lounges can be accessed

new Zealand flying economy on a qf flight number following lounges can be accessed
new Zealand flying economy on an ek flight number following lounges can be accessed



then also have for business class and first class

and you would then have to have a Jetstar table as well with the * of 'if you have purchased the poverty pack upgrade to gain points and status etc'



then there would be a lot less confusion

What, something like this -> Qantas Club Lounges | Qantas
Add in the AA lounges when flying AA and you're set...

 

[mannej]

why can't Qantas jus do a table up

'Qantas club when travelling abroad for dummies'


England flying economy on a qf flight number following lounges can be accessed
England flying economy on an ek flight number following lounges can be accessed

hong kong flying economy on a qf flight number following lounges can be accessed
hong kong flying economy on an ek flight number following lounges can be accessed

usa flying economy on a qf flight number following lounges can be accessed

new Zealand flying economy on a qf flight number following lounges can be accessed
new Zealand flying economy on an ek flight number following lounges can be accessed



then also have for business class and first class

and you would then have to have a Jetstar table as well with the * of 'if you have purchased the poverty pack upgrade to gain points and status etc'



then there would be a lot less confusion

They do have that information - it isn't hard to find on the QF site under lounge locations. There is nothing on the QF site to suggest lounge access for a QP member flying out of Gatwick.

 

[candyb]

That's fantastic

have to admit if you hadn't pointed me to the exact site I thought I would have trouble finding I. but I got my wife (im accidentally using her account )to find the link and she found it with one minute

so how are people still getting confused with QP access
I think Qantas has lead the horses to the water as best they can.