Vista with 4Gb RAM using only 3Gb? Why?

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I have bought 2 refurbished Vista laptops recently and both had 2GB memory although I upgraded the second laptop to 4GB memory.

When I go into System properties the first laptop shows 2GB for the memory. The secod laptop shows 3032 MB which I am guessing is not 4GB.

It was only $15 or $20 extra but I hate it when businesses continually try to rip off.
 
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When I go into System properties the first laptop shows 2GB for the memory. The secod laptop shows 3032 MB which I am guessing is not 4GB.

It was only $15 or $20 extra but I hate it when businesses continually try to rip off.
Where are you seeing 3032? Is it 'available memory'?

With that, what happens is that some systems use memory for other things such as video processing. etc.

My desktop at home has 4 Gb of physical RAM but uses 750 Mb for other purposes.
 
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Where are you seeing 3032? Is it 'available memory'?

With that, what happens is that some systems use memory for other things such as video processing. etc.

My desktop at home has 4 Gb of physical RAM but uses 750 Mb for other purposes.
Not available memory.

Computer -> System properties -> Installed memory
 
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Thanks.

So would 3032MB be 3GB?

1 MB is 1,048,576 bytes

3 MB is 3,145,728 bytes

1 GB is 1,073,741,824 bytes

3 GB is 3,221,225,472 bytes

3032 MB is 3,179,282,432 bytes
 
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I have bought 2 refurbished Vista laptops recently and both had 2GB memory although I upgraded the second laptop to 4GB memory.

When I go into System properties the first laptop shows 2GB for the memory. The secod laptop shows 3032 MB which I am guessing is not 4GB.

It was only $15 or $20 extra but I hate it when businesses continually try to rip off.

Where are you seeing 3032? Is it 'available memory'?

With that, what happens is that some systems use memory for other things such as video processing. etc.

My desktop at home has 4 Gb of physical RAM but uses 750 Mb for other purposes.

Not available memory.

Computer -> System properties -> Installed memory

Then you have been dudded!

Another thing to consider .. are you running the 32-bit edition rather than 64?

Check the laptop model on uk.crucial.com - DDR4, DDR3, DDR2 and DDR RAM memory upgrades as well, will show what type of RAM it can take, etc.
 
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Another thing to consider .. are you running the 32-bit edition rather than 64?

Check the laptop model on uk.crucial.com - DDR4, DDR3, DDR2 and DDR RAM memory upgrades as well, will show what type of RAM it can take, etc.
Good question. When I checked yesterday I seem to recall that I wasn't happy so could be 64 bit.

The whole idea of buying up Vista laptops was to prolong the new look 64 bit garbage.
 
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The whole idea of buying up Vista laptops was to prolong the new look 64 bit garbage.

I've been running 64-bit for a long time now and I don't seem to be having more problems than I do when with 32-bit. Might be less, who knows.

Maybe some really old applications may not run, which should be rare, but I haven't tried, as everything I want to run does just fine.

In any case, you can install new OSes still with 32-bit mode (x86). Windows 7 can be run in 32-bit. You normally have to ensure you download the correct installation package, however.

4 GB is the maximum RAM addressable by a 32-bit system.
 
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I have no doubt I have been dudded 1GB memory. Email sent to supplier asking to please explain.

There should be a product ID on the memory chip - type that into Google and see what it comes out as :)
 
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There should be a product ID on the memory chip - type that into Google and see what it comes out as :)
Now we are taking my technical skills way too far. These are refurbished laptops. I paid for upgrade to 4GB and clearly that is not the case.
 
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Now we are taking my technical skills way too far. These are refurbished laptops. I paid for upgrade to 4GB and clearly that is not the case.
It is common for 32 bit Vista systems to see only 3Gb (ish) when there is 4Gb installed.
 
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It is common for 32 bit Vista systems to see only 3Gb (ish) when there is 4Gb installed.

That's pretty much what I was leading to.

Why is this? 32-bit addressing allows 4GB to be seen.

I can understand that shared graphics takes some (this is shown in System Properties) and the other hardware takes a fair chunk (not shown in System Properties). But 1 GB just happens to be completely inaccessible?
 
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Installed memory not available memory?
Nope. It's available to the system but not for your use. Some can be pre-allocated to graphics and other system functions depending on the chipset and OS.
 
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Installed memory not available memory?


Here's an interesting article: Why Windows Vista only sees 3GB memory in a PC with 4GB RAM

...In theory, a 32-bit operating system should be able to support 2[SUP]32[/SUP] bytes = 4GB memory. Thus the first reaction usually is that the memory chips or with the mainboard has a hardware defect. Unfortunately, that’s not the case. Vista can indeed address 4GB of memory. However, the maximum amount of RAM that can be used by the system and applications is 3.12 GB.


The cause for this is the so-called memory-mapped I/O (MMIO). Some devices need a dedicated space in memory. A typical example is a video card that utilizes the system memory. Now, you might object that your video card has its own memory and you didn’t install any additional devices that could occupy so much RAM.

Well, for compatibility reasons Vista reserves memory for devices even if they don’t exist in your computer. ...
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The only problem is that those who are unaware of Vista’s 3.12 GB limit just wasted their money. If you really want to know how much memory Vista actually uses, you have to use Vista’s System Information tool. To do so, go to Vista’s Start prompt and type Msinfo32. The new System Information tool in Vista SP1 distinguishes between “Installed Physical Memory (RAM)” and “Total Physical Memory”. The latter one is the amount of memory you can really use, and the first one indicates how much money you just have wasted if you put 4GB in your PC. You can read more about this issue in this KB article.
If I were you, I'd be upgrading to Windows 7 ... and then to Win10 ... if you need assistance, send me a PM.

I never used Vista ... went straight from XP to Win7 ... earlier this year ...
 
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