Updated xONEx prices

[Hawkeye]

The Qantas website has indeed updated the prices effective today 1st November:

Bookings - Flights - Round the World - oneworld Explorer - Fare from Australia

Seems to be about a $300-400 price rise, if I recall the previous fares correctly. In keeping with predictions anyway.

 

[Platy]

Well, I rang thre QF telephone sales folk yesterday and they said they had no information or notification of a fare increase!!! Seems funny way to do business...

 

[Dave Noble]

Well, I rang thre QF telephone sales folk yesterday and they said they had no information or notification of a fare increase!!! Seems funny way to do business...

Why would the staff necessarily know of fare changes occurring?

Dave

 

[Platy]

Why would the staff necessarily know of fare changes occurring?

Well they wouldn't if managment hasn't authorised them to be told/trained on any changes. And of course they shouldn't, if QF management has some business advantage to gain by keeping its staff and customers in the dark.

However, maybe they should have known in advance:

- out of a basic courtesy and respect for the customer (so customers can make informed decisions - imagine if you had a DONE4 reserved, but not paid for yet!)
- to enable adequate staff notification and training in advance of the changes
- to bring the QF sales staff up to the same knowledge level of the travel agents who apparently were notified a couple of weeks ago (according to other posts)
- to encourage sales (some industries actually encourage sales in advance of prices rises).

Whatever the ins and outs of the situation the customer has been slugged with:

- a 10% fare increase in the last year (when CPI measures are under 3%)
- additional fare rules making the product less flexible (eg land sectors counting)

Sure it may be good business if the market can withstand the price hike. It will merely encourage those in the know to avoid purchasing DONE4 type tickets from QF in favour of AA and non-Oz departure points. (And my thanks for the gurus on this blog for teaching me the way to do just that!)

 

[NM]

- a 10% fare increase in the last year (when CPI measures are under 3%)
- additional fare rules making the product less flexible (eg land sectors counting)

And don't forget the 15% rise in the value of the A$ vs US$ in the same 12 month period.

 

[dajop]

- to encourage sales (some industries actually encourage sales in advance of prices rises).

Only if coinciding with end of financial reporting period (!) and sales figures are behind forecast, otherwise it rather defeats the purpose of the increase, especially in the cosy little space that Qantas occupies.

Sure it may be good business if the market can withstand the price hike. It will merely encourage those in the know to avoid purchasing DONE4 type tickets from QF in favour of AA and non-Oz departure points.

Methinks that the AFF "go to Sri Lanka to buy xONEx's" is a fairly insignificant part of the market, and the majority of the xONEx market are businesses who wouldn't even contemplate (or for that matter tolerate) people heading off to far flung destinations (or even near flung destinations) to do this. Obviously QF think the market can tolerate the increase, and really prices from AUS-USA set the standard, and xONEx prices have to stay in line with those.

 

[aus_flyer]

Yet economy prices have not changed

 

[simongr]

Obviously QF think the market can tolerate the increase, and really prices from AUS-USA set the standard, and xONEx prices have to stay in line with those.

Most businesses are accepting of the A$14K fee to the US from Oz - begrudgingly of course. That is what we have budgeted for shiopping some people to a finance conference in New York for some of the team. I have budgeted $15K for the same trip but I have included 7 days in New York within the total cost... the rest of the team dont need to be in NYC as long as me but I still got people rolling my eyes at my budgeted amount...

 

[Platy]

I have budgeted $15K for the same trip but I have included 7 days in New York within the total cost... the rest of the team dont need to be in NYC as long as me but I still got people rolling my eyes at my budgeted amount...

Lucky you! My travel has to be self funded or paid for by my small business!

 

[Platy]

Methinks that the AFF "go to Sri Lanka to buy xONEx's" is a fairly insignificant part of the market

No doubt about it!

 

[simongr]

Lucky you! My travel has to be self funded or paid for by my small business!

This is the cost of running a global business where your boss is in New York and his director reports are in Sydney, London, Pittsburgh and NY. Interestingly despite all of my galavanting around and staying in decent hotels my travel costs are still the cheapest in the team on a per mile of required travel flown (i.e. not reducing the cost per mile by basing it on miles actually flown but by basing it on cost per mile required to be flown) and in absolute terms compared to by NY colleague. What I do seems ostentacious to some but is in fact cheap travel

 

[drron]

Most businesses are accepting of the A$14K fee to the US from Oz - begrudgingly of course. That is what we have budgeted for shiopping some people to a finance conference in New York for some of the team. I have budgeted $15K for the same trip but I have included 7 days in New York within the total cost... the rest of the team dont need to be in NYC as long as me but I still got people rolling my eyes at my budgeted amount...

$A1000 for 7 nights in NYC-sleeping in the office is it?

 

[simongr]

Sorry for the lack of clarity. The conference is offsite so no accommodation costs in relation to that. The budget for the rest of the team is just flights. My budget is for flights and 7 nights running up to the conference as my boss has a separate few days with his team. So my cost is A$11000 for flights and A$4000 for food and accommodation. That will be higher or lower depending on who wins the knife fight between me and EuroMe to pay for dinner - loser pays an winner chooses the wine

 

[Evan]

Sorry to take it back on topic

Any other changes from other departure points ?
E

 

[tuapekastar]

There is no change to the Oz prices at the oneworld site (so it is not a reliable guide at this stage), and no apparent discussion on the OW board at FT, so maybe this is isolated to Australia? Or maybe not...

 

[NM]

ExpertFlyer has now been updated with the new fares. It was still showing the old fares this morning. So I expect it was scheduled to update as at 1st November somewhere in the USA.

 

[dragonman]

ExpertFlyer has now been updated with the new fares. It was still showing the old fares this morning. So I expect it was scheduled to update as at 1st November somewhere in the USA.

Well i will know for sure in a few hours. I am waiting for it to be office hours in the USA so I can book this DONE4 from NRT:

NRT-DEL-HKG-SIN-LHR-DXB-LHR-HEL-JFK-DFW-YUL-MIA-ORD-
LAS-LAX-SYD-PER-DRW-ADL-SYD-NRT.

I know its not optimal miles its a mixture of convenience and SC run. At 780,400JPY (or approx $7250 AUD) its a bargain i think
If anyone wants I will post the exact price (incl taxes once the deal is done)

 

[NM]

New pricing for OneWorld fares ex-Aus from Nov 1
The new prices for common OneWorld fares ex-Australia are:

Circle Pacific
LCIR22 = $3299
DCIR22 = $7599
DCIR26 = $9099
ACIR22 = $10299
ACIR26 = $12299

Global Explorer
LLGLOB26 = $2799
LHGLOB26 = $3289
LLGLOB29 = $3289
LHGLOB29 = $3479
DGLOB34 = $10499
AGLOB34 = $14799

OneWorld Explorer
LLONE4 = $3289
LHONE4 = $3479
LLONE5 = $3849
LHONE5 = $4079
LLONE6 = $4489
LHONE6 = $4759
DONE4 = $10499
DONE5 = $11699
DONE6 = $13099
AONE4 = $14799
AONE5 = $15899
AONE6 = $16999

Circle Asia
LAS13 = $1999
LAS17 = $2299
DAS13 = $4649
DAS17 = $5399
AAS13 = $6049
AAS17 = $7049
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[Keith009]

I bought mine in mid August when the price was JPY743 200. Taxes amounted to JPY71900 (including one UK APD), so JPY853200 in total. The charge hit my card at 1AUD=JPY97 (this was a few days after the crash in August but thankfully stabilised after a bit) - and I was eventually charged approximately $8820. That;s approximately $2000 of savings over ex-MEL (taxes taken into consideration). Just a bit miffed that the A$ began its sharp ascendancy in value a few weeks after I issued the ticket, but hey ho it's still good value.

The good thing about ex-NRT over ex-CMB, even if CX is still flying there, is I actually want to visit Tokyo and wouldn't mind going back again and again. So the accomodation costs in Tokyo can be considered as part of regular holiday expenses since I'd be going to Tokyo even if i did ex-MEL anyway. If i did ex-CMB or some other place in Woop Woop that I'd be visiting for the sole purpose of picking up the ticket then the accomodation costs would be relevant consideration.

I hope there aren't too many enhancements nor fare increases ex-NRT before I rinse and repeat next July. :shock:

 

[dragonman]

You know sometimes life is not easy. Rang the AA RTW desk (thanks QF009 for the tip). First prob NRT-DEL-NRT has no seats. Next prob is that CX want this paid for by NOV 21. I want to pay for it now but cannot pay in JPY until arriving at NRT on Dec 22.

Is there a way around this problem that anyone knows of?