United 4 mile lottery ticket

[Shanye2233]

So I'm wondering who else got on this deal? I purchased a few tickets in F going to the US Europe all the HKG for my family. I paid a fair bit in taxes and I'm following the threads very closely . One day I think it's over the next day I'm looking at hotels . I'm not sure how the DOT works over there but from reading they are strict and having talks ATM .

I was thinking Im the only one in Australia who is in on this , but I can't be there must be overs. After reading I saw there was a air china flight in J for free , way to go those who got that !

 

[markis10]

I was thinking Im the only one in Australia who is in on this , but I can't be there must be overs. After reading I saw there was a air china flight in J for free , way to go those who got that !

Your not the only one who took advantage of it, its just that most of these bargains stay under the radar for a reason and people are often hesitant to post about it at that time for fear of the deal going sour, or when it has closed they are fearful of being accused of gloating about their gains. Their are also some who dont think a free flight in any class with certain airlines is a bargain, having knocked back free flights on numerous occasions myself I can certainly say I am one of them.

 

[Mwenenzi]

Several long threads on FT & MP about this (and a better place to dicuss (rant) this IMHO)
From a post on FT
http://overheadbin.msnbc.msn.com/_ne...ier-miles?lite
“We will be in contact with customers who have tickets issued at the incorrect award amounts. Customers will be given the choice to redeem at the correct mileage amount or re-deposit their award with all fees waived. We regret any inconvenience this has caused you, and appreciate your understanding.”

 

[Shanye2233]

The flights are not only on united they are various airlines. I'm not going to make any calls or inquiries I'm just curious why nobody else has posted anything about it , I didn't think they would be in hiding if they cancel one they cancel them all.

Although people have already returned from their trips.

 

[burmans]

Several long threads on FT & MP about this (and a better place to dicuss (rant) this IMHO)
From a post on FT
http://overheadbin.msnbc.msn.com/_ne...ier-miles?lite
“We will be in contact with customers who have tickets issued at the incorrect award amounts. Customers will be given the choice to redeem at the correct mileage amount or re-deposit their award with all fees waived. We regret any inconvenience this has caused you, and appreciate your understanding.”

A better place to rant maybe but I don't think to discuss, there is very little exchange of information.

Maybe it's a cultural thing but I am fairly amazed at
a) the fact each post seems clear in their own mind they are right (even when confronted with evidence that shows they aren't).
b) I never knew there were quite so many lawyers in the US (or at least people who think they are experts in the law)
c) low levels of tolerance
d) people who think that stating your opinion ever more stridently (shouting) is a good way of getting other to agree

It's an amazing read on FT but (at least in my opinion) approaching information free. Oh and for the record I'm probably in the middle as far as the arguments go, I can see some virtue in both sides but frankly would like to say what DOT says and wait for a response from UA beyond a forum post before I posit strongly what the outcomes will be. But I'd be almost alone with such a (in my opinion reasonable) view on FT.

 

[Shanye2233]

I'm not sure about the people comments on FT . But from reading my opinion is the guy who is the CEO or the former CEO said that if a mistake fare is ticketed then it will be honoured no matter how large the error. And secondly the DOT said that if a airline has ticketed and payment has been exchanged they can not increase the fare paid . I read all pages there and on dans deals and mile point.

As a side note I can change the names of the ticket holders now even after 4 days is that normal for united award tickets, or maybe due to my 1k ?

 

[Shanye2233]

Only lasted 4 days , the end .

 

[burmans]

Only lasted 4 days , the end .

Saw your posts on FT, not really sure it is the end until DOT passes down their ruling. As I'm sure you are aware KE cancelled and then rescinded on the RGN flights so there is still a chance IMO. Wouldn't be relying on it but certainly think if is premature to say it all over.

 

[Shanye2233]

I know all of the aff are rooting for me wish me luck. I have submitted my dot file . I have a question I didn't want to ask on ft if I paid with my citi platinum don't I have travel insurance for this sort of thing ?

 

[anat0l]

I know all of the aff are rooting for me wish me luck.

Well, tell the truth I am not, but that's not important for you to know why. (It's not a personal thing - let's clear that up.)

I have a question I didn't want to ask on ft if I paid with my citi platinum don't I have travel insurance for this sort of thing ?

I'm assuming you mean under a provision of the airline cancelling your ticket? Or auxiliary expenses (e.g. the hotel you prepaid if the ticket was to go ahead)?

My gut tells me "no", but exactly what you'd be claiming and your policy would need to be known.

 

[Shanye2233]

Why are you against the ticket being honored ?

 

[anat0l]

Why are you against the ticket being honored ?

I don't really want to start a huge argument about this. I've already read lots of posts on FT and the Boarding Area blogs (with the comments) and I'm starting to tire of eating popcorn over this.

The simplest reason I will give is that this is so clearly a mistake. I am aware of the DoT provision with regards to "mistake fares", but I believe that honoring this mistake is not within the spirit of the intent of enacting that said provision.

I'm sure you've heard this argument before, so please don't waste time by transplanting an already mature (or immature?) argument on FT here.

 

[hummel]

Shanye,

How can you possibly be united 1k..??

IIRC you don't like frying and had barely flown before your US airways trip?

 

[Shanye2233]

I'm actually currently 1k with united and executive platinum with AA . I have never been i
overseas before the us airways trip. I do a lot of reading tho .

P.S. I prefer baking over frying anytime

 

[serfty]

Shanye,

How can you possibly be united 1k..??

IIRC you don't like frying and had barely flown before your US airways trip?

See these other threads:

http://www.australianfrequentflyer....ection-jq-after-price-41313-2.html#post645547

http://www.australianfrequentflyer....ld-emerald-on-jetstar-41134-3.html#post643539

To summarize, there's a bit of status matching going on ...

 

[burmans]

I don't really want to start a huge argument about this. I've already read lots of posts on FT and the Boarding Area blogs (with the comments) and I'm starting to tire of eating popcorn over this.

The simplest reason I will give is that this is so clearly a mistake. I am aware of the DoT provision with regards to "mistake fares", but I believe that honoring this mistake is not within the spirit of the intent of enacting that said provision.

I'm sure you've heard this argument before, so please don't waste time by transplanting an already mature (or immature?) argument on FT here.

So we are distinguishing mistakes now! Personally I think some countries have laws based on principles, some based on black letter law and US is one of the latter.

I do agree that the FT argument is something we shouldn't replicate but would be hopeful we can have a reasonable conversation on AFF based on facts, the facts on FT seem to be largely non-existent. Maybe it's a cultural thing but repeated and more strident statement of an opinion not based on facts is not likely to sway me. I tend to agree with the quote widely attributed to Albert Einstein (although there are contradictory opinions “Insanity is doing the same thing, over and over again, but expecting different results.”

Of course I also subscribe to a different quote "When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, Sir?". Give me some facts! Would appear to me the next "facts" we can expect are a formal response from DOT, unfortunately they may not be formal (the RGN DOT response never emerged into the public view) but suspect in this case they will be given the publicity.

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Given the recent RGN experience (which I won't call the KE experience because it affected many more airlines than that) I don't actually think the mistake argument will be used by UA. This doesn't mean I personally don't think the mistake argument has validity but given the DOT regulation I just Don't think it will fly. UA themselves seems now to relying on the "actually you were advised of the correct price during the booking process" argument which IMO is more likely to succed though it's also pretty clear to me that if this is the case the "final price" must be regarded as misleading (if not deceptive).

Interestingly the mail people received from DOT suggests they don't mediate individual fares, i.e. any decIsion is likely to affect all, not just those who complain (though clearly volume of complaint may affect what they do).

 

[kamchatsky]

I'm actually currently 1k with united and executive platinum with AA . I have never been i
overseas before the us airways trip. I do a lot of reading tho .

P.S. I prefer baking over frying anytime

My guess is, that you are asking UA to give you temporary 1K with a challenge to achieve xx_ miles within yyy months, and you already have the US Airways itin booked to show them that you are intending to travel. Then you used that 1K to status match to AA Exec Plat as AA is trying to win business from disgruntled UA/CO elites since the horrendous integration issues.


Am I on the money?

 

[Aussie_flyer]

My guess is, that you are asking UA to give you temporary 1K with a challenge to achieve xx_ miles within yyy months, and you already have the US Airways itin booked to show them that you are intending to travel. Then you used that 1K to status match to AA Exec Plat as AA is trying to win business from disgruntled UA/CO elites since the horrendous integration issues.


Am I on the money?

both are useless anyway since he doesn't really travel other than LCC's and award tickets.

 

[kamchatsky]

both are useless anyway since he doesn't really travel other than LCC's and award tickets.

Well it becomes useful if any of the legs in award travel are in Y for whatever reason. At least he can go to lounge using his status.


Also UA 1K *G entitles him extra luggage allowance.

 

[Shanye2233]

If they (united) honor te fare but at a lower class of travel this 1k will come in handy . But yeah your right it's not permanent jut a challenge to get the executive platinum status I wanted for my jetstar flights which doesn't help me now anyway so bit of waste of time