Scoot experiences

Status
Not open for further replies.

Danger

Senior Member
Joined
Jun 19, 2006
Posts
7,672
I'm loathe to start a new thread but I'd be very interested in people's thoughts and advice.

On 29 November 2015 I purchases an airfare with Scoot (China to Singapore to Australia and return). I purchased through Opodo and the equivalent cost was AUD800.18. I used my Bankwest MasterCard (charged in yuan). The departure time of the first flight from China was 5.55am on 6 August.

On 31 March I received an email from Scoot advising the flight had be re-timed to 3.45am on the same day.

I contacted Scoot the same day and requested a full refund. I was told that was not an option - take it or leave it. I referred them to their T&Cs which states, at 9.2:

Schedule changes: your options
If Scoot has to make a significant schedule change/cancellation more than 24 hours before your schedule departure time, we or our authorised agent will attempt to notify you per 9.1b and provide you with one of the following:​
* Rebooking at no additional charge
* A voucher
* Any other options set in out in a Scoot schedule change or cancellation policy
* If Scoot will not loner serve the destination, a refund [options abridged]​

None of the options were offered to me.

On 4 April I wrote to Bankwest requesting a chargeback as Scoot had not adhered to their T&Cs.

On 8 April I received a letter from Bankwest confirming receipt of my dispute and stating:

"As per MasterCard/Visa scheme rules and regulation, we need to allow the merchants [sic] processing bank up to 45 days to return this transaction to us with proof showing the merchandise was accurately described and supplied in such condition. In such an instance we will contact you for further information".​

To Bankwest's credit the amount was crediting to my account about the same time, while they undertook the investigation.

So I waited. And waited some more. Forty-five days came. And it went. And then another 45. And another 45. No word. And so I assumed, in the asbs

Today, some 229 days after my dispute was acknowledged (and 109 days after the flight was to occur), I receive a letter from Bankwest dated 23 November stating:
"MasterCard have [sic] now ruled for the merchant in this case. They have advised that the merchant did meet their terms and conditions . . .

Specifically, as the flight change to 5.55am instead of 3.45am [note, Bankwest has this around the wrong way, but that's irrelevant] was a change of less than 24 hours (only a change of 130 minutes before the scheduled departure time), the options set in section 9.2 of the merchant terms and conditions do not apply.

We will be reversing the above credit, which will appear on your next statement . . ."​

Tell me this is complete rubbish, please.

 
Last edited:
Playing Devil's Advocate here:

The clause you've highlighted says in the case of a significant schedule change they will offer you one of the options. Not your choice of any of the options.

I'd also questions whether a schedule change by 1:50, on a flight that only goes once per day, is really "significant".
 
Last edited:
The conditions of carriage on the Scoot website have "flight retiming of 8 hours or more" in brackets in the middle of this clause 9.2
Close closed.

https://www.flyscoot.com/images/COC/scoot_conditions_of_carriage_final.pdf

Interesting. Someone's lifted their game. That is not a part of the T&Cs that govern my fare. It wasn't in the version included in the confirmation email from Scoot (below), nor was it in Scoot's paperwork provided to MasterCard and then to Bankwest and me.

Scoot.jpg
 
I also would struggle to see a two hour change on a 15+hr flight constituting significant.

OP pulled the nuclear option with the charge back
 
I also would struggle to see a two hour change on a 15+hr flight constituting significant.

OP pulled the nuclear option with the charge back

Okay. Fair call. But a couple of points. First, the first flight was to Singapore (something like five or so hours). Second, it is more than two hours which for some airlines (AA, I believe), that's enough to trigger special provisions. Absolutely, Scoot and AA are poles apart (except maybe their onboard catering), but it's an example nonetheless. Third, in the absence of a definition of "significant" . . .

And what about Bankwest's form? If I'd heard back from someone in the 45 day period they set themselves, perhaps I would have taken the flight after all.
 
Was there any significant reason why you did not agree to the 1.50hr time change besides not wanting to get out of bed a bit earlier ?
 
Playing Devil's Advocate here:

The clause you've highlighted says in the case of a significant schedule change they will offer you one of the options. Not your choice of any of the options.

I'd also questions whether a schedule change by 1:50, on a flight that only goes once per day, is really "significant".

I missed your comment. First, Scoot offered me none of the options. None. Second, the time change is 130 minutes and it does put it right in that 'do I book a hotel for the night and leave at 1.30am/2am or just try to get a super late check-out the night before?' scenario.

Was there any significant reason why you did not agree to the 1.50hr time change besides not wanting to get out of bed a bit earlier ?

As noted above about the hotel situation and the time change. Additionally, I was no longer interested in the flight and was actually grateful that this schedule change triggered (or should have) Scoot's provisions. (I don't believe my desire to no longer take the flight should really be an issue, though.)
 
As noted above about the hotel situation and the time change. Additionally, I was no longer interested in the flight and was actually grateful that this schedule change triggered (or should have) Scoot's provisions. (I don't believe my desire to no longer take the flight should really be an issue, though.)

I guess it all comes down to the definition of significant – I and appears others in this thread would not consider significant to be 1.50hrs on a international flight . To me 8+ hours or a change that had significant impact (ie connecting flights or a tour/ cruise) would fit into the significant category .
 
I guess it all comes down to the definition of significant – I and appears others in this thread would not consider significant to be 1.50hrs on a international flight . To me 8+ hours or a change that had significant impact (ie connecting flights or a tour/ cruise) would fit into the significant category .

Okay. Point taken.

But just for one final time, the time change was 130 minutes not 110.
 
Yes, a change of 2 hours 10 minutes. In the absence of a definition of 'significant' - and that absence is a problem - I would also consider that time difference to not be 'significant'.

And whilst your desire to not proceed, prior to receiving that notification, should not be a consideration for whether you got a refund or not, I would say it most certainly did affect your thinking, as in: "yes! Now I've got a reason to cancel and get a refund".


Because you wanted that outcome anyway, you latched onto the schedule change as a justification for your cancellation/chargeback. Otherwise known as 'wishful thinking'!
 
Yes, a change of 2 hours 10 minutes. In the absence of a definition of 'significant' - and that absence is a problem - I would also consider that time difference to not be 'significant'.

And whilst your desire to not proceed, prior to receiving that notification, should not be a consideration for whether you got a refund or not, I would say it most certainly did affect your thinking, as in: "yes! Now I've got a reason to cancel and get a refund".


Because you wanted that outcome anyway, you latched onto the schedule change as a justification for your cancellation/chargeback. Otherwise known as 'wishful thinking'!

Yes, the absence of a definition of a particularly pertinent term (one Scoot has presumably seen the error of its ways and corrected, as noted above), is problematic.

For those of you not on my side - I have absolutely no problem with that by the way and appreciate your views - is Bankwest's seven month turn around not an issue for you?
 
is Bankwest's seven month turn around not an issue for you?

I do not think it is great, but what bothered me more -- almost as much as the repeated use of [sic] in a post where the second word was an error -- was their mention of "was a change of less than 24 hours" which appears to be a misinterpretation of the "more than 24 hours before your schedule departure time" part of the terms and conditions.
 
The Frequent Flyer Concierge team takes the hard work out of finding reward seat availability. Using their expert knowledge and specialised tools, they'll help you book a great trip that maximises the value for your points.

AFF Supporters can remove this and all advertisements

I do not think it is great, but what bothered me more -- almost as much as the repeated use of [sic] in a post where the second word was an error -- was their mention of "was a change of less than 24 hours" which appears to be a misinterpretation of the "more than 24 hours before your schedule departure time" part of the terms and conditions.

Yes, you're the first person to pick up on that. It even evaded MasterCard.

(As an aside, what is wrong with "loathe"?)
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Enhance your AFF viewing experience!!

From just $6 we'll remove all advertisements so that you can enjoy a cleaner and uninterupted viewing experience.

And you'll be supporting us so that we can continue to provide this valuable resource :)


Sample AFF with no advertisements? More..
Back
Top