QF9 24-hr Delay: Response from Customer Care

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Peasant

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Hi all-
I was booked on QF9 from MEL to LHR on 16 March. To cut a long story short, the fuel pump on Engine 1 failed, so the flight was initially delayed from 1615 to 1645, then to 1930. Boarding commenced at 2000, but the flight was then cancelled at 2200 as the sealant used for the repairs would not have set before the flight crew ran out of duty hours. Customs wouldn't let us disembark the aircraft until approximately 2330, after which time we were sent to the lounge to (unsuccessfully) rebook ourselves on alternative services, spent close to an hour trying to recollect luggage, then another 30 minutes in the taxi. After leaving for the airport at 1pm, I returned back to the Melbourne CBD at 1.40am, spending another 50 minutes on the phone to QF trying to get an alternative booking the following day (any rebookings on alternative carriers were vetoed by management)

Lets just say it wasn't a great day - spending 12 hours at the airport only for the flight to be cancelled wasn't helpful. I wrote to Customer Care outlining a few frustrations - 1) how they were not able to fix a seemingly simple fuel pump issue on an aircraft that had arrived in Melbourne at 9am that morning 2) Why QF did not call in a new crew before 6pm when they knew there was a good chance the operating crew would be close to running out of hours and 3) why they boarded the aircraft knowing that they would still need time for the sealant to set. My questions were primarily directed at the engineering processes.

That said, I had high praise for the front-line staff who were excellent. The F lounge staff, Captain, CSM and cabin crew could not have done a better job and reflected well on the company. I made this clear in my email to customer care, so I was very sorry to get the following response from them this morning:

"Dear Mr xx_,

Thank you for taking the time to contact us and please accept my apologies for the delay in our response.

I have attempted to contact you but your phone number would not connect.

I am disappointed to hear of the way that the delay of QF9 was handled and value your comments regarding our ground staff.

As a gesture of goodwill, I would like to credit your Frequent Flyer account with 10,000 Qantas points.

I understand that you may have incurred some out of pocket expenses. Could please email any relevant receipts to Customer Care for our consideration?

Should you wish to speak with me further regarding this delay, please don’t hesitate to contact me on 02 9691 xx_X.

I look forward to hearing from you at your earliest convenience.

Yours sincerely


xx_
Customer Care Executive"

Given I was 28 hours late arriving at my destination, spent 12 hours waiting at the airport and missed a wedding, what do you think of the above response? That they didn't even read my email, and interpreted my praise of their front line staff for criticism adds insult to injury. But in all fairness, I wonder why I would ever choose to fly with QF again with such a contemptible answer.

As a side note, the class of travel was F and my FF level is Platinum.
 
What are you expecting in the response? They offered you a token gesture plus were proactive in offering to cover your out of pocket expenses. What I think of the points offering is not relevant.
If you needed to be at the wedding, you should have taken it on yourself to rebook your flight and let your TI cover it.
As for not getting a response to the engineering side of your feedback, I don't think customer care have the expertise to provide an answer, nor should an answer be provided as to why they did or didn't do anything operationally.
 
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Oh very hit and miss reply from Qantas almost a response of the evil twin => [email protected]

I did not get treated much better in the States on AA travelling in business class.

It's all well and good talking about TI but the guidelines are specific and you need a letter from the airline. So even my travel insurance was not that good and the advice was stick with it and get rebooked by your delayed airline
 
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Oh very hit and miss reply from Qantas almost a response of the evil twin => [email protected]

I did not get treated much better in the States on AA travelling in business class.

It's all well and good talking about TI but the guidelines are specific and you need a letter from the airline. So even my travel insurance was not that good and the advice was stick with it and get rebooked by your delayed airline

That's where you need to make sure your TI PDS covers delays. You have the policies that cover delays over 6 hours, but others such as QBE do not cover delays.
 
That's where you need to make sure your TI PDS covers delays. You have the policies that cover delays over 6 hours, but others such as QBE do not cover delays.

Mine is through Amex black centurion when I called them they laid it out for me. It was more complicated in the end they said if I rebook myself I can then put the claim in. It would then get individually assessed. Hopes were not high though. As I did not meet the specific criteria and would need a letter from the airline.

It was 700 dollars for a hotel room really a s..t offer.
 
Could the moderators consider merging this thread with the 'general QF cancellations/ delays discussion?"

I would not trust a travel insurer to reimburse the cost of an alternative flight.

Since flying is just another form of public transport when all is said and done, this is a very poor reply given that the OP is clearly a premium passenger, paying a multiple of the fare that I would if I was on that flight (as I have been) down the back in steerage.

The OP should give his business to another airline. There are plenty of other airlines flying to Europe, so it's poor that QF wouldn't book its QF9 passengers on other airlines given that the flight did not end up departing MEL until about 1330 the next day - more than 21 hours late.
 
Whilst slightly off topic, is the A380 that has been parked between the hangars at melbourne airport for over a week now the same one as referred to I n this thread. If so, maybe they are still waiting for the sealant to harden?
 
Not defending Qantas here but I was treated considerably worse during a similar delay by American Airlines on an F ticket mid-February and haven't even got a response to my complaint yet, let alone an apology and an offer of compensation!
 
Could the moderators consider merging this thread with the 'general QF cancellations/ delays discussion?"

I would not trust a travel insurer to reimburse the cost of an alternative flight.

Since flying is just another form of public transport when all is said and done, this is a very poor reply given that the OP is clearly a premium passenger, paying a multiple of the fare that I would if I was on that flight (as I have been) down the back in steerage.

The OP should give his business to another airline. There are plenty of other airlines flying to Europe, so it's poor that QF wouldn't book its QF9 passengers on other airlines given that the flight did not end up departing MEL until about 1330 the next day - more than 21 hours late.

No, this deserves it's own thread.

For what the OP was annoyed about (I.e lack of response to the engineering questions in his feedback), I don't feel that there is a need to answer that specific part of the feedback.
 
Whilst slightly off topic, is the A380 that has been parked between the hangars at melbourne airport for over a week now the same one as referred to I n this thread. If so, maybe they are still waiting for the sealant to harden?

VH-OQD was the A380 involved in the delay the OP experienced. smithy, perhaps next time you are at MEL you could bring a pair of binoculars to spot the registration should the plane still be there.
 
No, this deserves it's own thread.

For what the OP was annoyed about (I.e lack of response to the engineering questions in his feedback), I don't feel that there is a need to answer that specific part of the feedback.

That's not really the reason for my frustration. I'm more frustrated that it's clear they didn't read the email I sent them, as the reply implies I was dissatisfied with their ground service staff. I wasn't - I was very impressed and wanted them recognised. I was just less impressed by the back-end/management support for those staff on the front-line. If a customer takes the time to write to you, I think it's courteous to at least read the content, rather than sending a canned response and randomly throwing out 10,000 miles.

Do I want compensation? Well that would be nice. For the record, I told QF I would rebook myself on another carrier myself. I was explicitly advised against doing so as they told me it was not guaranteed QF/travel insurance would cover a booking I made myself.

I wasn't rebooked on QF9 the following day as the flight was full. I was rerouted via Sydney to take QF1, which added an extra four hours to my journey as I then would have missed my onward connection from London. I only knew after checking the QF app on my phone as no one contacted me. I refused that and after much insistence was booked on another airline's one-stop service to London.

I think tone is a big factor here - it's quite clear QF doesn't give two sh*ts. Strange company.

I suppose at least this sort of response is good for my PPS Value.
 
VH-OQD was the A380 involved in the delay the OP experienced. smithy, perhaps next time you are at MEL you could bring a pair of binoculars to spot the registration should the plane still be there.

No need for binoculars, OQD has been to everywhere in the QF 380 network since...
 
Given I was 28 hours late arriving at my destination, spent 12 hours waiting at the airport and missed a wedding, what do you think of the above response?

It's easy to say that you've been treated poorly by Qantas in their response, however:

- they responded in about 11 days from your complaint, which judging from the many whingers on the QF FB page shows that their response to you was something of a record.

- my best advice is that one should never rely on any airline to deliver you to a destination on-time, let alone the expected day. If you have a critical appointment at your destination, be it a connecting flight, a cruise ship, a wedding or similar family event, or important business meeting, one should always build in additional time to the itinerary for unexpected delays.
 
I don't think they have any requirement/responsibility to give the OP, or anyone else, explanations as to why or why not engineering/operational decisions were made. It's just really none of our business. Who knows, perhaps they did try calling in a new crew but could only get a couple but not the full complement ?
As others have mentioned, aviation is ALWAYS going to involve delays. It's the nature of the beast. Pilots cannot just duck into the nearest Caltex at FL370... A broken fuel pump doesn't discriminate between those living it up in F or those with their knees next to their ears in whY!
They offered to reimburse the OP, good job QF. The 10k pts is nothing much but it's better than a hole in the head.
At the end of the day, cough happens. Particularly in aviation.... I much prefer it happens on the ground !!
 
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Lets just say it wasn't a great day - spending 12 hours at the airport only for the flight to be cancelled wasn't helpful. I wrote to Customer Care outlining a few frustrations - 1) how they were not able to fix a seemingly simple fuel pump issue on an aircraft that had arrived in Melbourne at 9am that morning 2) Why QF did not call in a new crew before 6pm when they knew there was a good chance the operating crew would be close to running out of hours and 3) why they boarded the aircraft knowing that they would still need time for the sealant to set. My questions were primarily directed at the engineering processes.

I don't want to speak to the response of QF Customer Care, however I would like to offer some clarification regarding the questions of flight management you posed. In this particular case I personally know both the FO who was a member of the original tech crew, as well as one of the FAs who was a member of the new CC scrambled from reserve.

To say that QF did not call in a new crew before 1800 is incorrect. In fact, this particular FA was notified at around 1730 to be at the airport ASAP, replacing the originally rostered crew, for a 1930 departure slot. This occurred when it became clear that the delay would cause the originally rostered crew to be out of hours before reaching DXB.

According to what the FO told me the issues were more than just a faulty fuel pump. A number of issues including air con, HHD systems and PAC backflow caused the delay.

I can't answer why they boarded the aircraft whilst the issue was still not resolved. The only reason I can imagine is that they were reasonably confident that they had solved the issue and were hoping to minimise the delay. Eventually a number of issues including hours for the new crew began to work against them.

As I said, I don't want to involve myself with QF's Customer Care response, but at least this might give you a bit of perspective on what was actually going on.
 
Who knows, perhaps they did try calling in a new crew but could only get a couple but not the full compliment ?
It is my understanding that QF only have A380 "standby" crew in Sydney. By the time they relocate to MEL they would also be out-of-hours for a flight MEL-DXB. They just don't have standby crews available at every A380 port. Its just not practical to do so, and none of us would be willing to pay the increased airfares that would be necessary to cover the increased costs of having such luxuries. I assume this applied equally to tech crew and cabin crew.
 
My reading of the reply is that QF has read your email correctly!


I am disappointed to hear of the way that the delay of QF9 was handled

The delay was handled - That is boarding late and deboarding


and value your comments regarding our ground staff.
This refers to the helpfulness of the ground staff



10,000 points and QF offering to cover out of pocket expenses is pretty good IMO

EK wouldn't have given you anything from all the reports I have read of people trying to chase up service failures and receiving nothing as service recovery

Not sure really what else you expect from them
 
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