QF-Air France partnership - interesting observation

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While I realise we still won't earn QFF SCs on Air France coded flights, we can now earn points and in my current circumstances that's about all that matters (I'm currently P1 with no realistic prospect of retaining P1).

This led me to look into AF for an upcoming trip to Europe. The cheapest option via QF (in J) on the dates I want is $7,571 for a Business Sale fare. With Air France, there is a J fare for $7,134 on the same dates, which as it happens includes QF-operated flights between MEL and SIN (not that this makes any difference from a points perspective).

What is really interesting though, is that the AF fares appear to be fully refundable - see screenshot below. They don't seem to have different types of J fare classes - it looks like the bog standard J fare is fully refundable. Does anyone have any experience with this? Am I missing something here? If correct, this is seriously good value, considering the cheapest fully refundable J fare with QF is more than $12k and as a rule fully refundable fares are prohibitively expensive.

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Seems to be a legacy fare: http://www.eglobaltravelmedia.com.a...usiness-class-fares-ex-East-Coast-01may12.pdf

If you can find availability in Z, the ZFFAU fare basis should be even cheaper and is also fully refundable

Thanks for posting that - but can you clarify what leads you to conclude that the fare I saw is one of these legacy fares? The fare I'm looking at is actually slightly cheaper than the ZFFAU fare quoted in this document ($7,134 vs $7,184). Also, there are even cheaper fares than that available on the same dates - the cheapest being rtn for $6,248 if I was willing to fly in/out of of MEL with China Southern, and that seems to be fully refundable too.
 
The fare I'm looking at is actually slightly cheaper than the ZFFAU fare quoted in this document ($7,134 vs $7,184).

The pricing in that doc is from 2012 and no longer valid. I was comparing IFFAU vs ZFFAU pricing shown on EF (in this case SYD-AMS, but the same pattern exists for other EU destinations)

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The duplicates shown above do differ - one allows routings via AUH/BJS/BKK/CAN/DPS/HKG/JNB/SGN/SHA/SIN/TPE and the other allows travel via OSA/TYO/SEL.

can you clarify what leads you to conclude that the fare I saw is one of these legacy fares?

To clarify - I didn't say it definitively was, but rather seemed to be. I could well be wrong, but the fare basis + very flexible rules appearing to be identical to the 2012 PDF linked above makes me think this fare has been around for a while. Happy to be proved wrong though!
 
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