qantaspilots.com.au

[Brisbane Flyer]

saw this on FT.
i agree with the pilots.

Qantas Pilots

 

[ComeFlyWithMe]

This is nothing more than a pay dispute under the guise of 'safety'. The LCC operation will never have Pilots on the same conditions as QF mainline, otherwise it wouldn't be an LCC.

The rest of us who live in the real world (private sector) don't get guaranteed pay rises, they are performance based.

I always find this an interesting argument. I wonder if QF did pony up the $317M they are requesting, how many pilots redundancies that would mean, and how long the already flailing QFi would continue to operate... not to mention the further loss of service to the customer, which would end up costing even more jobs.

They are running a business, not a charity.

 

[samh004]

They are running a business, not a charity.

I agree with you there, but would rather Qantas kept Australian pilots than offshore them, as I'm sure they want to, in the future.

I signed their petition, and I love their billboards!

 

[samiam]

The rest of us who live in the real world (private sector) don't get guaranteed pay rises, they are performance based.

Well in that case, you live in only one part of the real world

There are currently 1.5 million award covered workers who received a 3.4% FWA increase, not to mention the million/s who are covered by EBA's or CA's who receive guaranteed increases for the life of their particular agreement.

 

[serfty]

I work in IT and have had to deal with such off-shoring for the last decade or more.

Sure, it's affected my remuneration, but it's a fact of life.

 

[Mwenenzi]

The vast majority of the worlds pilots are "foreign " & off shore. That fact is surprising to some who beleive the union proganda
The vast majority of the worlds aircraft do not crash. Some airlines / countries are higher risk: easily found out so do not fly on them

 

[Sprucegoose]

I'm with the pilots on this one. Of course it is also a pay issue, but that's part of the differentiation with the LCC's.I have also been involved with international business so understand the offshoring arguments etc. Qantas should be the most competent airline in the world period.

 

[drron]

Not much new in the world-an interesting letter from Sir Hudson Fysh to the SMH in 1971 when QF pilots threatened to strike and negatively compared the then board to the old-
The Sydney Morning Herald - Google News Archive Search

Interesting also to read the reports on the 1966 strike and QFs fleet of 19 planes carrying 2500 pax out of Australia per week.
The Age - Google News Archive Search

and again a safety reason put in as QF wanted only 2 pilots for NZ and noumea flights plus night landings in Jakarta.

But to today.Do QF domestic pilots earn less than other domestic pilots?Do the international pilots earn less than other airlines?Therein lies the dilemma.Certainly pilots will be feeling the pinch as the cost of living goes up in Australia and their wage do not.On the other hand can QF afford to increase its cost base if it is to remain competitive?I am glad I am not involved in the negotiations.

 

[medhead]

According to this website qantas 737 pilots earn 30% more than Virgin 737 pilots.

As forth negotiations I think the Qantas pilots have well founded fears that their numbers will be reduced by attrition and new replacement pilots employed in other subsidiaries. Their jobs seem to be under threat. Sure this is one approach to reduce the cost base. But I suspect cost base is not the prime motivator for management to act in this way. Rather than focus on destroying the pilots union I think management should focus on the customer. There is more upside from a happy customer IMO.

 

[avi8or]

Couldn't care less about the pilot as long as he knows what he's doing and he get me to where i'm going on time and most importantly safely.
Oh and please don't give them QP access! It will just make it more crowded! Think they should get at least CL those poor dears! Or even better why not make up an exclusive lounge only for their use now there's an idea.

 

[harvyk]

I work in IT and have had to deal with such off-shoring for the last decade or more.

Sure, it's affected my remuneration, but it's a fact of life.

True, but how do you deal with it? At a job interview do you say to your potential employer "Well you see, you could hire me and pay me $100 an hour, but there is this indian guy out there who would do the work for only $3.50 an hour. Hire him instead"

Or do you do all you can to convince the potential employer \ client that hiring a local (ie you) is better than offshoring the position for the following reasons....

I don't know about you, but I've spent the last 10 years (quite successfully might I add) explaining why offshoring is a bad idea and why the person should hire a local rather than sending the work OS.

That's all the QF pilots are doing, and for that I wish them well.

 

[serfty]

True, but how do you deal with it? At a job interview do you say to your potential employer "Well you see, you could hire me and pay me $100 an hour, but there is this indian guy out there who would do the work for only $3.50 an hour. Hire him instead" ....

Generally you'll find that client will never see or have meaningful access that $3.50/hr employee, only someone higher up the chain as it were. I sell this as a difference as well as the local experience aspect.¹

However, even these are different from what a Pilot does.

¹ I think this was one of the main issues with the Myki developments - the Melbourne metlink system as it exists operationally and is used is probably inconceivable/comprehensible to most sub-continental denizens.

 

[drewbles]

Oh and please don't give them QP access! It will just make it more crowded! Think they should get at least CL those poor dears! Or even better why not make up an exclusive lounge only for their use now there's an idea.

How about we call it "The Departure Lounge", a place where they can sit, stretch their legs out, and wait with everyone else who doesn't pay for their lounge memberships or fly often enough to have complimentary access.

I'm in favour of that one!