Qantas Fleet

[agfox46]

Does anyone know when Qantas intends phasing out/replacing the remainder of it's 767 aircraft?

 

[oz_mark]

Does anyone know when Qantas intends phasing out/replacing the remainder of it's 767 aircraft?

When they get their shiny new 787's. couple of years yet

 

[moa999]

which will be after Jetstar get their shiny new 787s

 

[agfox46]

When they get their shiny new 787's. couple of years yet

Thanks, mark - looks like a wait for a flight on a reasonable aircraft from Melbourne to Hawaii then! In case anyone is thinking it: no, I don't want to fly to LAX & back to HNL with United or AA

 

[Paul_PER]

People that do fleet planning for a living must go nuts.

Qantas was going to put the 15 787-8's into Jetstar by December 2009.

The first of 50 787-9's were to start arriving in 2011.

This was before the 787 delays announced on 10 Oct 2007 and 16 Jan 2008.

I think three (?) additional A330-200's are due in 2008 (2 to Jetstar, 1 to Qantas?).

In theory as the 787-8's begin to arrive the A330-200's can shift over from Jetstar to begin replacing the 767's ..... however the 743's also need to go .... so depending on how fast the A380's arrive the 767's may be here for a while. I expect there will be a few 767's still soldiering on in 2012-2015.

phew!!!

 

[littl_flier]

People that do fleet planning for a living must go nuts.

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I think three (?) additional A330-200's are due in 2008 (2 to Jetstar, 1 to Qantas?).

phew!!!

Now that's an understatement. But I wouldn't mind a fleet planning job.

I'm pretty sure Jetstar has received all the A330's they were getting for their long haul ops. Four from QF and two newbies which were delivered mid last year. Qantas should have a total of 6 332's by the end of 2008 so unless they've received their second recently, hopefully 5 more will arrive. Jetstar were hoping to get the first of the 787's later this year for their long haul ops but I guess they'll have to wait a little longer. The 332's will let QF free up some of the 767's from routes like HKG and NRT in a move to 333's. The 332 will also replace the 333's on a couple of routes like BOM.

 

[NM]

In theory as the 787-8's begin to arrive the A330-200's can shift over from Jetstar to begin replacing the 767's ..... however the 743's also need to go .... so depending on how fast the A380's arrive the 767's may be here for a while. I expect there will be a few 767's still soldiering on in 2012-2015.

Note that when the current JQ A330-200s return to QF mainline, they will be operating domestic and trans-Tasman (well, that is sort of domestic) flights. So although they will allow the retirement of some of the 767s and 743s, its not going to help with MEL-HNL.

However, I do expect we will see shiny new 787s with orange stars on the tail on the HNL route long before we see anything new with a red roo on the tail over there.

 

[Yada Yada]

I expect there will be a few 767's still soldiering on in 2012-2015.

phew!!!

Aye! And some of them are already very shabby.

Have they actually updated the interiors of any of the 763's yet? I've flown in a few JAL 763's that were very modern inside, so there is no reason why QF can't do this. Surely they have to?

 

[littl_flier]

Aye! And some of them are already very shabby.

Have they actually updated the interiors of any of the 763's yet? I've flown in a few JAL 763's that were very modern inside, so there is no reason why QF can't do this. Surely they have to?

Good news I guess YY. QF have done 3 of the 763's and have started taking out the monitors and putting LCD screens into them. Doesn't look too bad IMO.

Though I'll be semi pleased to the see the ex. BA birds go. They look the shabbiest and I dislike not having an air vent. Still, a 767 is better than a 73H accross the Nullabor/Trans Tasman.

 

[docjames]

Most of my recent flights (MEL-Syd, and mel-bne) have been on 767, but recently got a 737-800 and the difference is AMAZING - so much quieter, seats HEAPS better.

The sooner the 767s are updated or gone, the better.

I love the 767, but it's time to go.

 

[NM]

Most of my recent flights (MEL-Syd, and mel-bne) have been on 767, but recently got a 737-800 and the difference is AMAZING - so much quieter, seats HEAPS better.

The sooner the 767s are updated or gone, the better.

I love the 767, but it's time to go.

The 738 might be "better" for a 1 hour MEL-SYD flight, but I will aways take a 767 over a 738 for a trans-continental or trans-Tasman flight. The dual aisle vs single aisle makes all the difference for a 3+ hour flight.

 

[Yada Yada]

The 738 might be "better" for a 1 hour MEL-SYD flight, but I will aways take a 767 over a 738 for a trans-continental or trans-Tasman flight. The dual aisle vs single aisle makes all the difference for a 3+ hour flight.

I've always preferred the wide-bodies but have found 737's to be fine on SYD-PER trips, especially if the middle seat is empty.

 

[Paul_PER]

I'm pretty sure Jetstar has received all the A330's they were getting for their long haul ops. Four from QF and two newbies which were delivered mid last year. Qantas should have a total of 6 332's by the end of 2008 so unless they've received their second recently, hopefully 5 more will arrive. Jetstar were hoping to get the first of the 787's later this year for their long haul ops but I guess they'll have to wait a little longer. The 332's will let QF free up some of the 767's from routes like HKG and NRT in a move to 333's. The 332 will also replace the 333's on a couple of routes like BOM.

littl_flier you are quite correct. Apologies - should have done my research before posting and not after. Of the A330-202's:

VH-EBE arr Jun 07 Jetstar
VH-EBF arr Aug 07 Jetstar
VH-EBG arr Dec 07 Qan Int with Skybed
VH-EBH due Jan 08 Qan Int with Skybed
VH-EBI due Feb 08 Qan Int with Skybed

VH-EBJ, EBK, and EBL are listed as due "second half of 2008".

 

[JohnK]

For some reason I do not like 767s that much. Maybe it was the return trip SYD-CGK back in 2005.

I think 767s are OK for short haul, <3 hours, but I would stay away from them, if possible, for any medium or long haul trips.

 

[tscharke]

flying NRT-CNS-SYD in a shabby ol 763 taught me to avoid them at all costs!

 

[codash1099]

I've always preferred the wide-bodies but have found 737's to be fine on SYD-PER trips, especially if the middle seat is empty.

In my view, that should be "ONLY if the middle seat is empty".

Then again, I can imagine that Virgin-ophiles would see the 737 as a more than adequate aircraft no matter what.

 

[Yada Yada]

In my view, that should be "ONLY if the middle seat is empty".

Then again, I can imagine that Virgin-ophiles would see the 737 as a more than adequate aircraft no matter what.

I have no problem with the 737-700 and -800 aircraft. VB's are comfortable and seat pitch is about the best in Australia. Qantas has a lot of 737 NG's in service too so it's not as if they only run widebody jets exclusively.

Now I might not want to fly in a 737 from SYD-LAX but for local flying, they are IMO just fine.

 

[JohnK]

Now I might not want to fly in a 737 from SYD-LAX but for local flying, they are IMO just fine.

Now there is another challenge. Does any carrier offer a 737 island hopper service SYD-LAX. Does not necessarily have to be on the one itinerary or even on the one carrier. I know Continental does the milk run to Guam but I don't think they use a 737.

I don't mind the 737s either. They are OK for flights like SYD-PER or even LAX-IAD.

 

[ANstar]

Now there is another challenge. Does any carrier offer a 737 island hopper service SYD-LAX. Does not necessarily have to be on the one itinerary or even on the one carrier. I know Continental does the milk run to Guam but I don't think they use a 737.

I don't mind the 737s either. They are OK for flights like SYD-PER or even LAX-IAD.

I believe Air pacific fly a 737 NAN-HNL-YVR so you could fly FJ on a 737 all the way from Australia to Canada.

 

[JohnK]

Thanks. That sounds like a realistic challenge as long as the price is right. It would have been nicer if there were more stops on the milk run but if 2 stops is the best on offer then so be it. Off to go and study schedules and airfares....