Poor QF BKK J Flights

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My story supports a number of threads on different subjects but all relating to how far QF has fallen.

My partner and I flew QF J for the first time in a fair while to BKK recently. Over the past few years I and we have flown international J in NZ (outstanding), BA, AY and JL as well as QF. We've also had some segments in F in QF and BA.

But let me start with a bouquet first, for FA Andrew Vitalis on the BKK-SYD leg who went out of his way to overcome the problems and make the flight as best as he could. He provided the most outstanding service we have had on a QF flight, even surpassing the F flight and the A380 flight we had in a 10 day old aircraft where everyone was matching the novelty with top service. Anyone lucky enough to have Andrew as their FA will indeed have a great experience.

But to the brickbats....We flew to BKK on QF23. I was in 3K. The IFE was faulty and needed rebooting. This did not work, so then the seat pair was rebooted. The IFE worked but continued to be faulty, continually popping up the control screen. In the end I had no choice to watch the IFE with this screen popping up probably about 20 times during the movies. This was reported to the cabin crew.

We thought the new menu offerings were poor. The onion soup was ordinary and the chicken schnitzel sandwich was very poor: too crispy (hard) top and soggy bottom.

The IFE and the seats on the A330 are clearly under industry standard now and I note that there is a plan to replace them, but this should have been in train long before now.

I was booked in 3K for the return on QF24. In the week leading up to returning, in fear of having the same plane and IFE problems, I tried to change my seat but was not able to online. As we checked in in Chiang Mai I was also not able to change the seat there. We were first in the lounge and I was still unable to change it - 3.5 hrs before the flight. Then I learned from another AFF thread that there were 8 or so op-ups. Surely I should have had precedence to choose seating over op-ups.

On boarding, there were no noise-cancelling headsets at the seat. They had apparently not been loaded in Syd. And sure enough, the IFE in 3K was still faulty, with the same faults. Nothing had been done to fix the problem in the 10 days between flights. I assume it was the same plane, or I have been incredibly unlucky with the IFE on two different flights.

On both flights we got First amenity kits (with Payot products, presumably old stock now replaced?), which was great, but they do not have socks. A minor thing I know but on top of everything else points to a lack of attention to detail.

FA Andrew Vitalis was outstanding. He found us some headsets and socks, and looked after me an my unwell companion cheerily and without complaint, and turned my extreme grumpiness into appreciation.

Really my biggest beef is how the IFE was not fixed after the first flight. The cabin crew service can be variable but clearly the cabin crew are being let down by poor back of house systems. It sounds like our experiences are typical of the QF A330 routes. On booking we did have the choice of EK flights but chose QF for better timings for transfers. My advice to anyone considering this route is to take the EK flights. I know the seats on this route are also angles flat but based on general AFF advice I reckon their service, both front and back of house, would be considerably better.

I have of course relayed all this QF and made a point of telling the CSM on the flight how good Andrew was.
 
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This is very useful information but perhaps one of the AFF moderators could change the report's placement to be under 'trip reports.'

The missing piece in the jigsaw is whether it was the same A330.

While we can all have 'good' and 'bad' flights, I am mystified as to why some still choose to fly QF, unless of course it's the company or government organisation paying and there's the (diminishing) lure of (devaluing) QF FF points. Most importantly, to and from Asia it often lacks the 'depth' of timetable that competing carriers may have: TG to and from BKK is one example, SQ to and fro SIN, PR to and from MNL and CX to and from HKG are four quick examples - and all fly from more Australian airports direct to their 'home' cities than what QF does.
 
Almost certainly the same aircraft.I also had the faulty IFE in August.Talked to the Purser who said that the A330 on the BKK run just does the BKK run.

The BKK-SYD service is just not up to standard.So much so our next flight home is via KUL.
 
Almost certainly the same aircraft.I also had the faulty IFE in August.Talked to the Purser who said that the A330 on the BKK run just does the BKK run.

The BKK-SYD service is just not up to standard.So much so our next flight home is via KUL.

Galley FM strikes again, they rotate through 23 on a regular basis:

20/09/2013 QF23 Sydney Bangkok VH-QPI A330-300 30J/267Y
21/09/2013 QF23 Sydney Bangkok VH-QPF A330-300 30J/267Y
22/09/2013 QF23 Sydney Bangkok VH-QPA A330-300 30J/267Y
23/09/2013 QF23 Sydney Bangkok VH-QPE A330-300 30J/267Y
24/09/2013 QF23 Sydney Bangkok VH-QPE A330-300 30J/267Y
25/09/2013 QF23 Sydney Bangkok VH-QPE A330-300 30J/267Y
26/09/2013 QF23 Sydney Bangkok VH-QPE A330-300 30J/267Y
27/09/2013 QF23 Sydney Bangkok VH-QPB A330-300 30J/267Y
28/09/2013 QF23 Sydney Bangkok VH-QPI A330-300 30J/267Y
29/09/2013 QF23 Sydney Bangkok VH-QPG A330-300 30J/267Y
30/09/2013 QF23 Sydney Bangkok VH-QPB A330-300 30J/267Y
01/10/2013 QF23 Sydney Bangkok VH-QPB A330-300 30J/267Y
02/10/2013 QF23 Sydney Bangkok VH-QPG A330-300 30J/267Y
03/10/2013 QF23 Sydney Bangkok VH-QPI A330-300 30J/267Y
04/10/2013 QF23 Sydney Bangkok VH-QPI A330-300 30J/267Y
05/10/2013 QF23 Sydney Bangkok VH-QPI A330-300 30J/267Y
06/10/2013 QF23 Sydney Bangkok VH-QPH A330-300 30J/267Y
07/10/2013 QF23 Sydney Bangkok VH-QPC A330-300 30J/267Y
08/10/2013 QF23 Sydney Bangkok VH-QPD A330-300 30J/267Y
09/10/2013 QF23 Sydney Bangkok VH-QPD A330-300 30J/267Y
10/10/2013 QF23 Sydney Bangkok VH-QPD A330-300 30J/267Y
11/10/2013 QF23 Sydney Bangkok VH-QPC A330-300 30J/267Y
12/10/2013 QF23 Sydney Bangkok VH-QPD A330-300 30J/267Y
 
Is repair difficult because it may need attendance in a hangar rather than when it's on the tarmac between flights, and hence cannot easily be attended to each morning in SYD between QF24's arrival and QF23's departure, or indeed as markis10 points out between a morning arrival from BKK and a departure to either BKK or other QF A330 destinations such as HKG, MNL, PVG and SIN?
 
You are easily able to find out which plane operated your flights. The IFE that is on the international 330's is similar to the RC system that is on the un-refurbed 747's. There are bugs in that system, but you generally don't get the issues with them as much anymore. The system is temperamental, so perhaps it may have been fixed and popped up again, you never know.As for the seat not being up to industry standard, well that is debatable isn't it? Yes you do have airlines going for the fully flat beds in J, but you still have a large number accepting new aircraft with the angled-lie flat beds, especially for these "regional" type products. Lets have a look at the product within the region. PR's brand new 777's are 150 degrees lie flat (i.e they slope...), MH have the angled beds on their flagship A380 product as well as on their 777 and 330 product and SQ have the angled lie flat product on their 330 regional product. Even EK have the angled flat product. Yes I am not looking at the IFE, but the seat itself isn't below industry standard for flights of that length. However, I do agree that the 330 product does need upgrading (I wish QF would scrap the plans for a quasi update, and just get the whole 330 fleet upgraded to the same standard).As for why people choose QF Melburnian, that is their prerogative. Just because you can't understand why doesn't make it a bad decision. Like it or not, you will have people who will still choose the Roo that are doing so on their own free will.
 
With the angled lie flat beds on a number of carriers (150 degrees or perhaps 165), is it fair comment that these are more difficult for taller individuals (say those of 175 centimetres and above) than those of us who are shorter (assuming individuals with similar sleeping patterns who in their own bed, irrespective of height or weight, rarely have trouble sleeping)?

I thought in another thread we had some QF passengers asserting that they had not had any marked trouble with IFE in recent times (although they had experienced problems some years ago) - the first bit of which mannej suggests. Perhaps the passengers were simply unlucky.
 
I'm on QF23 next week but my IFE will be BYO.
The final six episodes of Breaking Bad should see me through, as long as the lap top power holds out.
And a nice F Lounge breakfast will mitigate the on-board offerings.
 
I'm on QF23 next week but my IFE will be BYO.
The final six episodes of Breaking Bad should see me through, as long as the lap top power holds out.
And a nice F Lounge breakfast will mitigate the on-board offerings.

That will be an enjoyable flight, so much goes on in the last 6 eps
 
I am on qf24 Thursday week but fear I will be disappointed after taking the emirates flight in the way over.
 
While we can all have 'good' and 'bad' flights, I am mystified as to why some still choose to fly QF, unless of course it's the company or government organisation paying and there's the (diminishing) lure of (devaluing) QF FF points.
Many reasons.

- Price is one reason
- Status another
- Easier to reach that status when flying domestic as well
- Excellent choice of seats that come with status when flying economy
 
While we can all have 'good' and 'bad' flights, I am mystified as to why some still choose to fly QF, unless of course it's the company or government organisation paying and there's the (diminishing) lure of (devaluing) QF FF points.



Many reasons.

- Price is one reason
- Status another
- Easier to reach that status when flying domestic as well
- Excellent choice of seats that come with status when flying economy

+1. I am happy to say that I willingly fly with Qantas using my own money. Despite having started the "demise of QF international" thread, I very much support Qantas and want to see them prosper in the future. I am not sure why anyone would be mystified by my choice to fly an airline which I like and has looked after me well.
 
The OP referred to QF23 and QF24. In July 2013 (the most recent data), BITRE reported that QF's inbound flights from Thailand ran with a 96.3 per cent load factor (effectively 'full') while outbound was at 78.5 per cent for the 9200-odd seats on offer. These load factors are quite good but QF's mainland China, Singapore and especially Hong Kong were among the Asian routes in July for outbound passengers that did not perform as well.

Passenger loads fluctuate by direction by month as many of us know, but it will be interesting to see in the year to April 2014 how QF performs overall on its Asian routes as it often offers relatively sparse flight frequencies compared with CX, SQ, GA, TG and PR to these latter airlines' home turf (and nothing from QF in flights to or from KUL directly to compete with MH). Frequency of flights must be an important factor for business travellers that Mattg above omitted (although not the only reason for choosing with whom to fly). The reaosn I pick 'April 2014' as a date is that it will show a year's data from QF's tie up with EK and its consequent Asian route changes that probably mean it has lost many of its former passengers who used to go via SIn, HKG or BKK to LHR and FRA. Some may now travel via DXB on either QF or EK, but loss of passengers to competitors is probable.
 
The OP referred to QF23 and QF24. In July 2013 (the most recent data), BITRE reported that QF's inbound flights from Thailand ran with a 96.3 per cent load factor (effectively 'full') while outbound was at 78.5 per cent for the 9200-odd seats on offer. These load factors are quite good but QF's mainland China, Singapore and especially Hong Kong were among the Asian routes in July for outbound passengers that did not perform as well.

Passenger loads fluctuate by direction by month as many of us know, but it will be interesting to see in the year to April 2014 how QF performs overall on its Asian routes as it often offers relatively sparse flight frequencies compared with CX, SQ, GA, TG and PR to these latter airlines' home turf (and nothing from QF in flights to or from KUL directly to compete with MH). Frequency of flights must be an important factor for business travellers that Mattg above omitted (although not the only reason for choosing with whom to fly). The reaosn I pick 'April 2014' as a date is that it will show a year's data from QF's tie up with EK and its consequent Asian route changes that probably mean it has lost many of its former passengers who used to go via SIn, HKG or BKK to LHR and FRA. Some may now travel via DXB on either QF or EK, but loss of passengers to competitors is probable.

They may lose some passengers but they will probably pick up more than they have lost, especially on Aus-Europe flights with the EK partnership. I am disappointed to see FRA go but I will still use QF where I can.

I for one am quite happy with QF's frequency, from SYD there's double daily to SIN and daily to HKG, BKK, NRT and so on.
 
I am not sure they are going to pick up more Aust-Europe travellers merely by DBX.Surely people who liked that alternative already flew a Middle Eastern carrier.
And QF's Asian services are definitely below par compared to their competitors.
So if flying to BKK I will still use QF as a daytime flight.Coming home will fly via SIN or KUL as I dislike QF24.Food has been terrible on the last few flights we have done.
Flying to NRT,our other way of exiting Australia will now be by JAL-except for a J MASA next year.Coming back from NRT will still be with QF at this stage being a 744 service.But if it gets downgraded to a 330 then it will be back by JAL as well.
My dream is that JAL reinstates the BNE-NRT service.
 
This is very useful information but perhaps one of the AFF moderators could change the report's placement to be under 'trip reports.'

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it belongs here.

it belongs where red roo can read and action it.

With the angled lie flat beds on a number of carriers (150 degrees or perhaps 165)...

I'm not aware of any carrier offering a 150 or 165 flat recline. 169 degrees or greater yes, but 150 would be fairly uncomfortable!



back to the issue... I think this is another example where at a strategic level, QF should be engaging to explain how the issue has been resolved.

we have a number of outstanding matters:
  • unresolved ability for check-in staff to through-check baggage on one world itineraries
  • no water on QF 1
  • running out of champagne
  • quality of food
  • hefty credit card fees that aren't explained
  • fees being charged for transactions that can't be completed on line (such as tickets ex Thailand or china)
  • no noise cancelling headphones because none loaded in sydney? or because they were given to platinums in economy class on the outbound flight?

there comes a point where these add up, and get discussed at a dinner party, or a work setting. it's simply not good PR to ignore these things. they could all be easily investigated and responded to.

and it wouldn't really matter... except we continually have in the back of our mind that QF is trying to compete in an unfair environment. and some measures are being taken to cut costs (such as discontinuing baggage interlining to non one world partners on a separate ticket). and -in the absence of any explanation- what appears to be cost cutting affects our on board experience

soft product costs little. has the potential for huge gains. but no response.
 
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Surely you'd be used to disappointment supporting the toon?

Sadly yes, but you can't fault the entertainment that surrounds some of the stupidity my favoured team seem to conjure up and that is in contrast with the issue the OP had.
 
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