Mind boggling puzzle of Freq Flyer programmes. Help!

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Hi,

Thx for any/all advice regarding my upcoming travels. I'm planning a trip from Sydney to Europe in May/June 2014. Would love to be in J and looking at treating wife and myself. At present, I have in points: QF 56K, VA (flying club) 33K, Velocity 28K and AMEX 106K and wife has: velocity: 65K, VA 15K and QF 17K. What would the gurus here suggest I do to get us 2 return J class tix with a stopover, don't mind destination (Asia, Dubai etc). The only thing I can think of (that's economical) is booking via Enrich which is 102K (can transfer AMEX points here) + $1300 taxes for 1. The second tix I would either buy outright or use the points+pay option via Enrich which is approx $3900 for one. Not sure what I can do with my QF or Velocity points as they don't seem enough. Any advice for me would be greatly appreciated. Flying separately is not an option:)

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Your leaving it a tad late to do anything and your points are not exactly weighted in favor towards any one program, so you are going to struggle to have enough and find availability.It may make sense to try PE with QF as a paid fare and the upgrade lottery.
 
Thx. Given PE prices are roughly about business class with MH (via pay+points option), wouldn't this be better?? I'm a QF bronze member so not holding out for any success with upgrade..
 
Thx. Given PE prices are roughly about business class with MH (via pay+points option), wouldn't this be better?? I'm a QF bronze member so not holding out for any success with upgrade..

PE will be earning points etc, the value of which needs to be taken into account!
 
Agree. However, points earned will be 26K (bronze) with PE via Qantas but their fares come in at an astonishing $5200. At this point, MH seems a bargain for $3900 J class.
I'm very green to all of this so apologise in advance if I seem naive and asking very basic qu's.
I know that QF and Velocity offer free transfer of points between family and all that...so I was hoping one of the Gurus here would know a trick or 2 that I could use to make it work for me. I do concede that it is late notice and my options are very limited..
 
One trick is to wash the Amex points through SPG, 100k should come out to 125k AA miles which is enough for two one ways to Europe?
 
Your individual points balance are low (and subject to expiry) and will be difficult to use. Watch for high surcharges on award flights
Is VA (flying club) actually Virgin Atlantic Flying Club (VS) or Virgin Australia Velocity(VA)?

You may be better to split the trip in 2 with Asia in the middle. Pay with cash and/or miles for each of the 4 legs
Amex to SPG(Starwood) to many airlines works for some.
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Thx. Given PE prices are roughly about business class with MH (via pay+points option), wouldn't this be better?? I'm a QF bronze member so not holding out for any success with upgrade..

Sounds like you have answered your own question - $5200 on QF Y+ or $3900 for MH J class is a fairly easy decision to make. Short term - your suggestion of using enrich and points + pay for the second ticket may be the best you can do anyway and may still be better than paying full cash price for J class fares. As others have said - unless you can somehow collect all those points in dispirate FF programs and Credit Card programs into a sizeable amount in one program you will struggle to be able to redeem, especially at short notice. Splitting up the big problem into 2 smaller manageable problems of Oz to Asia and then Asia to Europe may increase the complexity but get you better value.

I would just sanity check all the Y+ and J class points + pay options and fully paid fares in a big list all the way from "backpacker horror" 30+hour trips to Europe on 3 different airlines in Y class ($1200 UAD) all the way through to fully paid First Class tickets on quality carriers such as EK QF SQ etc (say $12K AUD?) and then start eliminating stuff you cant accept on the cheap end and eliminate the stuff you can't justify on the top end. Thats a process I always go through whenever booking any flight or redeeming a lot of points with my own money/points.

There are lots of opinions about earning to one FF program rather than spreading yourself too widely among different points schemes but in the future it will be worth considering which FF program you may want to concentrate on (i.e. Oneworld QF CX MH or say *A SQ and its loose affiliations with VA NZ and EY.

In the future you will need to think about where all your FF points come from, where you are currently flying in Australia (VA or QF or both?) and worldwide, and if work pays for any flying then how much status credits do you earn/get for free? Would you like to get enough status to get lounge access or will you get it anyway from flying J class? Are you prepared to do SC runs, or not? what Credit Cards you use or are prepared to swap to, what exchange rate or conversion rate you have to deal with from say Amex points to other FF programs, and obviously family pooling may come into it to pool points and Status Credit into either yourself or your wife. Don't forget that warehousing points in Amex MR points is a legitimate technique to keep your options open if you are not exactly sure of where and with which airline you are redeeming with, as long as those options remain open and are not devalued too much. Don't let tonnes of points expire if you can help it - I say better to get a less optimal/coughpy redemption than having them expire on you!

Don't forget to consult aforementioned wife about which direction you decide to go! :) She may have to adapt her spending patterns and travel patterns to align with yours. If you can get good enough status and accumulate enough points in one FF program and get that to a level where you feel like you are getting some value out of it (even if its just an annual upgrade domestic flight from Y to J class) then you can explore status matching and getting value out of more than one FF scheme.

Everyone is different and I can't control whom I fly with (BFOD policy) so I have to keep a foot in each camp (QF and VA), but even with my modest flying and lifestyle I have found some great tips from members here about how to maximize my own $$ spend and own use of points to maintain status. Who knows - maybe you can control who you fly with - in which case I am sure there will be much better experts than I on here who will make their own better suggestions.
 
Fly return economy from Australia to Kuala Lumpur - use either the brazil website trick (have a look for it - its a popular thread when qantas has an asian sale) - or if you want to use points - bad redemption with QFF to KL for economy 30K each and around $250 taxes). Not sure what the velocity redemption is but you might want to see if you can get back from KL with velocity points.

You could still do Enrich but use a combination of points plus pay - not sure of there redemption rates from Asia to Europe.

Good luck and remember to think outside the box!!!
 
Thx for all the advice guys. Greatly appreciated. A fair bit to consider. I'll let you know how I go...
Brazil website trick...where do I find this thread?? Under Qantas, Brazil or something else...
 
Does anyone know of cheap miles/points I can buy from Enrich or AMEX MR?
Greatly appreciate all the input from everyone so far.
I'm thinking of going with the plan of getting as many AMEX MR (to transfer to Enrich) or buying Enrich (cheaply) and then booking tix with points+pay option via Enrich. It's a bit late to embark on any other plan at this stage.
One other option is signing up with more AMEX cards with bonus points, is there a maximum of AMEX cards one can hold??
 
Does anyone know of cheap miles/points I can buy from Enrich or AMEX MR?
Greatly appreciate all the input from everyone so far.
I'm thinking of going with the plan of getting as many AMEX MR (to transfer to Enrich) or buying Enrich (cheaply) and then booking tix with points+pay option via Enrich. It's a bit late to embark on any other plan at this stage.
One other option is signing up with more AMEX cards with bonus points, is there a maximum of AMEX cards one can hold??

You only need 1000 miles to do a points plus pay which you get when joining, that payment is going to be the cheapest way I think you will find, so by having two accounts and splitting the miles between them from Amex, two bookings can be made.


Another option is to use the Alaskan buy promo to get yourself to KUL with QF and then Points plus pay from there with MH .
 
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Another option is to use the Alaskan buy promo to get yourself to KUL with QF and then Points plus pay from there with MH .

Is that routing allowed with Alaskan? I was under the impression that the only place you can redeem award from the South Pacific with Alaskan is North America.

I say that because the award chart on the website only has this option and when you search for flights on Alaskan it says the routing is not allowed...?
 
Is that routing allowed with Alaskan? I was under the impression that the only place you can redeem award from the South Pacific with Alaskan is North America.

I say that because the award chart on the website only has this option and when you search for flights on Alaskan it says the routing is not allowed...?

It would have to be CX To HK rather than QF to KUL, and then pickup MH from there (or get a cheap ticket to KUL). I was not aware of the QF Restriction.
 
Yea and I'd say it's probably easier to get a cheap return ticket to KUL than award with Alaskan for this purpose IMO
 
Yea and I'd say it's probably easier to get a cheap return ticket to KUL than award with Alaskan for this purpose IMO

Have you tried getting seats with CX, the thread on the promo indicates its pretty easy?
 
Yea I am close to a redemption which I'm thankful for! I was just thinking for the OP it might be easier/cheaper to just get a cash return to KUL. But I haven't costed anything.

Edit: Unless trying for U class redemption which will be better value with an Alaskan award. On that, how much is an Alaskan award to Asia, HKG specifically?
 
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Yea I am close to a redemption which I'm thankful for! I was just thinking for the OP it might be easier/cheaper to just get a cash return to KUL. But I haven't costed anything.

Edit: Unless trying for U class redemption which will be better value with an Alaskan award. On that, how much is an Alaskan award to Asia, HKG specifically?

CX to HKG is 60000 miles roundtrip, around $1200 worth of points.
 
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