Jetstar, Bali and the eruption of Mount Raung - a rant

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funkyr

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I have to vent with my experiences with Jetstar in this difficult situation.

I had booked a return flight in business with the business max option MEL-DPS to attend a medical conference. The outbound flight was threatened to be cancelled by the volcano but thankfully I made it into Bali.

Coming back there was lots and lots of flight cancellations from across many airlines since Thursday 9th July. My scheduled flight was supposed to be on Sat 11th July and unfortunately my flight was cancelled. Here started the numerous problems.

1) The jetstar website released a press release saying that my flight was cancelled on Friday night. I called them and was told my flight was definitely NOT cancelled and that I should not need to make arrangements to extend my stay. You would think something as important as a press release should filter down to the telephone staff? I did not book an extra room at my hotel and assumed my flight was going ahead. The next morning I received an email saying my flight was cancelled.
2) I logged in online and was given the option to cancel and get a credit voucher or to reschedule, the earliest flight was 23rd July (12 days later). So I called the call centre and they said that there's nothing they can do. I asked that if I take the 23rd would I be put on an earlier flight if one came available. I was told 'I'm sorry sir the earliest flight is on the 23rd'. There were no other re-routing options either and I was happy to fly economy. So I said I'll have a think about what I want to do.
3) The next day I checked my booking online and the options to reschedule my flight or cancel had been removed from the booking! I had to call the call centre (again) to be told that the next available flight was 17th July via a 3 stop flight. At this stage I had to cancel operating lists and appointments for many of my patients as I couldnt get back. No sympathy from Jetstar. I then specifically ask Jetstar 'If I take the 17th and another relief flight comes up before hand will I be waitlisted for an earlier flight?'. I was given a resounding reply in a rude manner 'NO. We are offering you a suitable alternative and once you agree to this, it is final and there can be no changes. You will not be wait listed for an earlier flight or onto a relief flight'


I find this utterly disappointing and am appalled by the customer service, lack of communication and general lack of knowledge Jetstar had. Fair enough I was fortunate enough to be able to fly on a business ticket and be a Platinum QFF (and on the way to P1 this year) but those factors shouldnt affect rerouting a situation like this but there was a general lack of sympathy that I've had to cancel the operations of several patients not to mention the clinic appointments of many more. I can understand everyone is desperate to get home, heck I have young kids left alone at home with their mother, but they had no sympathy or understanding for the knock on effect this has had on many people under my care, fortunately I was able to arrange some alternative arrangements with other colleagues who had semi urgent medical conditions who couldnt wait.

The story ends in that I flew Jakarta (there are like 16 domestic flights a day so the chance of getting out were higher). In Jakarta I called Qantas and they arranged a flight for me home within 10 minutes of calling them.

Jetstar, you have completely disappointed me with your lack of concern for the well being of my patients. Fortunately no one had an adverse outcome for having their treatment delayed.
 
I am sorry you had such a runaround. With a volcano erupting you would have thought that call centre staff would have had pretty thorough briefings. Glad that QF came through.
 
There were many passengers who were stranded just like you and very anxious to get home. Most of them likely had livelihoods at home which were being disrupted too.

Why should you be so special that Jetstar should take exclusive practical and moral responsibility for your livelihood which they previously had not even a single inherent responsibility to do so?

Glad that you are back in Australia - there are others in Bali who are not as fortunate.
 
I am sympathetic but this is the "price" of choosing a LCC like Jetstar.

My 2c worth:

A traveller can either pay for "full service" or choose not to pay for it and consequently shouldn't expect it.
 
There were many passengers who were stranded just like you and very anxious to get home. Most of them likely had livelihoods at home which were being disrupted too.

Why should you be so special that Jetstar should take exclusive practical and moral responsibility for your livelihood which they previously had not even a single inherent responsibility to do so?

Glad that you are back in Australia - there are others in Bali who are not as fortunate.

+1, clearly it was a cough situation but Jetstar had very little control of the situation and given the low standards of most LCCs did ok. If you really want more pay the extra 50% for a full service carrier, sometimes you really do get what you pay for.

As for the I'm a Platinum QFF stuff, great, fly QF and be recognised of fly Jetstar and be one of the unwashed masses. Don't expect both, it won't happen on. LCC.
 
To be honest the full service airlines would not have done any better (eg. Story in the news of someone who was given a 1 Aug date by Garuda)

The wind was changing continually - something the airlines can't control. Seemingly both JQ and VA have in the last few days, where the winds went the right way, got in as many extra planes as they could and uplifted as many people as they could.
 
I had booked a return flight in business with the business max option MEL-DPS to attend a medical conference. The outbound flight was threatened to be cancelled by the volcano but thankfully I made it into Bali.
Playing Devil's advocate here, I think a risk adverse person would have cancelled the trip to Bali knowing about the Volcano activity, as you say "The outbound flight was threatened to be cancelled by the volcano but thankfully I made it into Bali."
 
There were many passengers who were stranded just like you and very anxious to get home. Most of them likely had livelihoods at home which were being disrupted too.

Why should you be so special that Jetstar should take exclusive practical and moral responsibility for your livelihood which they previously had not even a single inherent responsibility to do so?
Couldn't agree more.
 
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The joys of dealing with jetstars cheap philo call centre. I believe they even set up a temporary call centre in australia to try to deal with the Bali issue. Speaks volumes
 
I really don't think that being a doctor should give you priority over everyone else, which seems to be what you expected.

In such circumstances, I take the view that I don't wait for the airline to come up with a solution - I take the responsibility for finding a solution myself (which is ultimately what you did, anyway).
 
He wasn't complaining about himself, rather all of the patients who had their surgery cancelled. If you or your mother were one of those patients, you would have wanted him on that flight. In the public system of your surgery gets cancelled you might wait months more. There is a huge knock on effect at hospitals when operating lists get cancelled and many people suffer. He was trying to minimize that
 
He wasn't complaining about himself, rather all of the patients who had their surgery cancelled. If you or your mother were one of those patients, you would have wanted him on that flight. In the public system of your surgery gets cancelled you might wait months more. There is a huge knock on effect at hospitals when operating lists get cancelled and many people suffer. He was trying to minimize that

See post #7
 
There were many passengers who were stranded just like you and very anxious to get home. Most of them likely had livelihoods at home which were being disrupted too.

Why should you be so special that Jetstar should take exclusive practical and moral responsibility for your livelihood which they previously had not even a single inherent responsibility to do so?

<snip>.

Rather than just attacking the OP, maybe look at the issues that was raised - conflicting information given by Jetstar. Even on a LCC the message should be the same! And the bit about the OP being special and wanting his 'livelihood' looked after etc ... I think that's un-necessary. If the person is a doctor, with patients waiting for surgery etc, I think that's worth mentioning if the OP is having a personal self described 'rant'. I hope everyone's doctor here would express similar frustration if they missed appointments due to circumstances out of their control (at the time) and personally, I wouldn't relate it to a possible impact on their income. YMMV.

On the other hand, I agree with sentiments that the OP might have avoided being put in this compromising situation by avoiding LCCs in general.
 
While I agree that being a doctor doesn't automatically bump you to the top of the list, I can empathise that ALL the passengers stuck in Bali have been mentioning the same thing - complete lack of communication from the airlines (whether it be JQ or VA) - and especially the off-shore JQ call centre knowing nothing and having no customer service skills whatsoever.
 
Rather than just attacking the OP, maybe look at the issues that was raised - conflicting information given by Jetstar. Even on a LCC the message should be the same!

Fair enough. I should have added that to my post...

...And the bit about the OP being special and wanting his 'livelihood' looked after etc ... I think that's un-necessary. If the person is a doctor, with patients waiting for surgery etc, I think that's worth mentioning if the OP is having a personal self described 'rant'. I hope everyone's doctor here would express similar frustration if they missed appointments due to circumstances out of their control (at the time) and personally, I wouldn't relate it to a possible impact on their income. YMMV.

Why not? The OP, if we take the account as is, was certainly implying that the complete lack of sympathy for his specific (given through the detail outlined) situation was a grave fault of the airline. The last line of the post seemed to imply that had anything gone very wrong with his patients, Jetstar would have had to shoulder a large degree of negligence and/or responsibility arising from it.

Express frustration because yes, one's livelihood has been disrupted - in this case, one of a doctor or surgeon. That doesn't change the fact that this disruption was principally out of the control of the carrier. If the OP had ranted that they had to go through this in spite of this situation, we would have just had a discussion about the general state of miscommunication from Jetstar (although we could have a big separate argument about that, i.e. how bad really was the communication situation, other affected carriers, etc.). But the OP made specific reference to tie the livelihood disruption to the responsibilities of the carrier.

If it makes you feel better when you're angry, punch the wall. You might blame the party which caused your anger to get you into that state, but don't blame them if you bloody your knuckles.


Anyway, as it stands, the OP has had a rant. Given the lack of response, that's probably all that is necessary (i.e. the proverbial wall has been punched), and hope the OP is gradually getting back on track with the rest of life (and, if I should add it, his/her patients).
 
A conclusion from all of this which would be interesting to hear is why Jetstar and (I think) Virgin made 'no fly' decisions when other airlines were flying. Probably following their own internal protocols, and I never mind our airlines taking a more conservative approach but a professional analysis would be good to read in any wash-up (but I doubt that will happen, at least publically). The airlines obviously don't cancel flights for the heck of it but I'm wondering if they set this bar at a level of 'safe and then a [size] margin', so they don't have to make close calls. Might [size] be un-realistic? It might also be that they lack internal analysis capability, compared to larger airlines and maybe airlines that are more regularly exposed to volcanic ash risk.

I might Ask a Pilot.
 
A conclusion from all of this which would be interesting to hear is why Jetstar and (I think) Virgin made 'no fly' decisions when other airlines were flying. Probably following their own internal protocols, and I never mind our airlines taking a more conservative approach but a professional analysis would be good to read in any wash-up (but I doubt that will happen, at least publically). The airlines obviously don't cancel flights for the heck of it but I'm wondering if they set this bar at a level of 'safe and then a [size] margin', so they don't have to make close calls. Might [size] be un-realistic? It might also be that they lack internal analysis capability, compared to larger airlines and maybe airlines that are more regularly exposed to volcanic ash risk.

I think there was a period where most (all?) airlines stopped their flights to/from DPS. Certainly the flight status info at Changi showed cancellations on all airlines at some points of time. The situation at DPS was changing regularly with the winds, which gave windows of opportunity for nearby carriers to get in and out. I recall reading that JQ and VA had more difficult decisions to make, knowing that DPS was 6 hrs from their home ports and by the time their aircraft reached DPS the winds may have shifted again. Although granted they also could have more conservative attitude to safety.
 
While I agree that being a doctor doesn't automatically bump you to the top of the list, I can empathise that ALL the passengers stuck in Bali have been mentioning the same thing - complete lack of communication from the airlines (whether it be JQ or VA) - and especially the off-shore JQ call centre knowing nothing and having no customer service skills whatsoever.
Yes, we know LCC's dont have great customer service skills, but to be low cost you need to cut those costs somewhere. All LCC's are similar in this and we are talking about an experienced flyer here. There are plenty of such experienced flyers who wont fly a LCC becuase of exactly this problem, and the OP has the same right. Complaining about a LCC because they behave like an LCC, well you are entitled to but you cant expect others to think is a particularly valuable opinion if they just dont.

As for communication, hard to communicate about a situation about which you have little control, and personally I dont see any value in an airline telling me every hour they dont know when I'll be able to fly.
 
which is why I asked in another thread if they where letting passengers cancel their bookings, one would think that Jetstar would go with this idea, less pax to deal with if it all goes sour again. Just my thought.
 
I recall seeing options to cancel and hold the amount as future credit, and even allowing to change destinations (subject to fare differences)
 
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