Has QF had a complete fall out with CX?

[frankxinyu]

i havent made a booking out of China for a few months and now i realise QF does not give you the option of flying CX/KA out of mainland China any more.

What is the deal here? i sense an exit out of OneWorld is imminent.

 

[ReLoad]

What is the deal here? i sense an exit out of OneWorld is imminent.

I'm curious as to the reasons behind this conclusion because it seems like an amazingly long bow to draw.

QF and CX have always been frosty, so what's changed?

 

[markis10]

Qantas have a codeshare deal with China Eastern and its been in place for a while, that gets you to the nearest QF port.

 

[BD1959]

"Has Qantas had a complete fallout with CX?"

No, of course not. Qantas remains fully committed to maintaining and growing the existing rainbow-coloured partnership with all of it's oneWorld partners including CX, BA and MH as well as boosting its presence in the Middle East and onwards to the UK and Europe courtesy of the latest member of oneWorld, QR.

Oh .... hang on just a minute ....

Regards,

BD

 

[JohnK]

Qantas have a codeshare deal with China Eastern and its been in place for a while, that gets you to the nearest QF port.

And what is wrong with offering connections on CX as well?

I am not drawing any bows but there is a pattern emerging which does not look good.

 

[DeKa]

I can still get options on CX and KA to show up
eg SYD-PEK on 13 Jan 2014 and PEK-SYD on 18 Jan 2014
Outbound QF127 & KA906
Return KA901 & QF128

Admittedly on those days, it's cheaper to take the MU / QF4012 and QF130 combination instead of KA901 & QF128, but it's still possible.
CX391 and CX347 also show up as connecting to QF128

 

[Supersonic Swinger]

I am not drawing any bows but there is a pattern emerging which does not look good.

Unfortunately the pattern emerging is one where OW partners other than AA and LAN are secondary compared to Emirates.

I'm not sure what the strategy in Asia is, I would have thought between KL, Hong Kong and Tokyo OW would give QF the coverage they need to leverage.

 

[maninblack]

I'm curious as to the reasons behind this conclusion because it seems like an amazingly long bow to draw.

QF and CX have always been frosty, so what's changed?

I tell you one thing that has changed. For many years CX and QF were in direct competition as OW carriers on MEL/SYD/BNE-HKG-LHR. Now CX have that all to themselves.

 

[BD1959]

Unfortunately the pattern emerging is one where OW partners other than AA and LAN are secondary compared to Emirates.

A few weeks ago, I would have said that I could see the day (in less than 3 yrs) where Qantas blame the introduction of 2nd tier entrants - Sri Lankan, Malaysia, TAM - of "diluting the OW brand" such that QF would be going forward with a "new premium alliance" based largely around EK and the current 2nd Tier partners - such as China Eastern - where it can "flex it's muscle" ... at least in the short term whilst these newer entrants build up their presence on the xx_X - Australia market.

Now, given some of the dire language being used by the illustrious CEO, I'm not so sure. We've suddenly gone from the statements of 6 Sep that QFi was turning itself around and that JQ Japan was a rip-roaring success to an airline that needs massive protection and investment. Clearly the "EK strategy" is either not delivering the benefits (to QF) which were envisaged or the JQ success is bleeding more cash than was being admitted, or QFd is bleeding when it was supposedly the darling of the QF brand. Whatever, something is seriously wrong when the CEO has to beg Australians to back a FB campaign to "save Qantas".

I'm now seriously thinking that the plan is for an injection of equity from EK similar to that which they did with Sri Lankan - then ripping out the remaining profitable QFi routes (or those directly competing with EK) and handing the carcass back to the Australian Government. I sincerely hope I'm very much wrong on this.

If that happens, none of us will be caring too much about whether QF remains in OW or not.

I'm not sure what the strategy in Asia is, I would have thought between KL, Hong Kong and Tokyo OW would give QF the coverage they need to leverage.

Don't worry. *IF* they had one last week, it would have changed this week.

Regards,

BD

 

[ReLoad]

I tell you one thing that has changed. For many years CX and QF were in direct competition as OW carriers on MEL/SYD/BNE-HKG-LHR. Now CX have that all to themselves.

So that has made them More frosty? Less Frosty? Im not sure in reference to the OP How has that lead to QF leaving OW? I'm confuzzled....

 

[Supersonic Swinger]

Another factor in the QF/CX relationship surely would be the attempt to set up a Deathstar franchise based in Hong Kong in conjunction with China Eastern.

We've suddenly gone from the statements of 6 Sep that QFi was turning itself around and that JQ Japan was a rip-roaring success to an airline that needs massive protection and investment. Clearly the "EK strategy" is either not delivering the benefits (to QF) which were envisaged or the JQ success is bleeding more cash than was being admitted, or QFd is bleeding when it was supposedly the darling of the QF brand. Whatever, something is seriously wrong when the CEO has to beg Australians to back a FB campaign to "save Qantas".

All he's done is redoubled my efforts to avoid QF.

 

[JohnPhelan]

Much more likely that CX would withdraw from oneworld. It's long been the case that CX has been the least co-operative oneworld member.

Australians complain about the relationship between CX and QF - in the same way that Americans complain about the relationship between CX and AA, and the British do about CX and BA!

The common element in all of these is CX.

 

[BD1959]

All he's done is redoubled my efforts to avoid QF.

I view CEOs the same way as I view footy coaches: I may not like their style or product but the chances are that both I and the "club" will still be around long after the CEO has departed. CEO and coaches usually share a love for trying to bs when things are going poorly: the umpires/foreign investors conspired for this result. It's usually just a matter of waiting until the Board realises and acts. Strangely, there's been very little public comment from the QF Board in the last month.

Of course, the AFL/NRL usually ensure the survival of the club, regardless of the lack of success on the field. For Qantas, there is no League ready to bail them out.

But, hey, I'm not switching my allegiance yet. I still believe in the majority of the staff and I still - domestically - prefer the QF brand. That's enough for me until this fool - and fool of a Board - is gone.

Go the Roos!!

Regards,

BD

 

[maninblack]

So that has made them More frosty? Less Frosty? Im not sure in reference to the OP How has that lead to QF leaving OW? I'm confuzzled....

What I am saying is that I do not think that CX actually give a FF about QF really and I don't think that QF's activities have more than minor impact on CX especially as the routing I mentioned is now a thing of the past. I wasn't commenting on the OP's reference about QF leaving OW which I think is simply unfounded speculation.

 

[yohy?!]

What I am saying is that I do not think that CX actually give a FF about QF really and I don't think that QF's activities have more than minor impact on CX especially as the routing I mentioned is now a thing of the past. I wasn't commenting on the OP's reference about QF leaving OW which I think is simply unfounded speculation.

I think QF's activities have had a positive impact on CX - no sooner had the BA JV completed that they jumped into bed with CX who now have a huge amount of capacity running into Australia with a single consistent product that QF will take several years to be competitive with.

 

[maninblack]

I think QF's activities have had a positive impact on CX - no sooner had the BA JV completed that they jumped into bed with CX who now have a huge amount of capacity running into Australia with a single consistent product that QF will take several years to be competitive with.

True indeed. Agree.

 

[Supersonic Swinger]

I view CEOs the same way as I view footy coaches: I may not like their style or product but the chances are that both I and the "club" will still be around long after the CEO has departed.

Qantas' issues are greater than just the current CEO. To the point of this thread, poor utilisation of OW partners such as CX has been around for a while, well before the baby was thrown out with the bath water with Emirates.

 

[JohnK]

Unfortunately the pattern emerging is one where OW partners other than AA and LAN are secondary compared to Emirates.

I'm not sure what the strategy in Asia is, I would have thought between KL, Hong Kong and Tokyo OW would give QF the coverage they need to leverage.

The Qantas Asian strategy. The $64 question.

I wish I knew the answer as I now have a lot to lose.

 

[froggerADL]

I view CEOs the same way as I view footy coaches: I may not like their style or product but the chances are that both I and the "club" will still be around long after the CEO has departed. CEO and coaches usually share a love for trying to bs when things are going poorly: the umpires/foreign investors conspired for this result. It's usually just a matter of waiting until the Board realises and acts. Strangely, there's been very little public comment from the QF Board in the last month.

Of course, the AFL/NRL usually ensure the survival of the club, regardless of the lack of success on the field. For Qantas, there is no League ready to bail them out.

But, hey, I'm not switching my allegiance yet. I still believe in the majority of the staff and I still - domestically - prefer the QF brand. That's enough for me until this fool - and fool of a Board - is gone.

Go the Roos!!

Regards,

BD

I would've (note for the young ones, that's short for would have, not would of) given you a like but for Roos comment!

 

[Awesom Andy]

I'm not sure what the strategy in Asia is

Fly into SIN, HKG, and NRT, then throw the pax off to Darth Vader.