End of Pre depature testing but flight on 17 April 2022

[Zetta]

Hi, I found this media release today. Media release

My understanding is that there will not be PDT for inbound flights from 18 Apr. But what if I am flighting from Singapore from the 17th and landing on the 18 in Australia?

 

[Hvr]

An interesting question.

As I see it, do you trust the airline check in staff to be aware that the order will lapse on 17 April?

They may see the order as still being current and require you to comply with it as it currently stands.

What impact will it have on you if they don't let you fly until you get a pre-departure test? Or make you wait until 18 April?

 

[Zetta]

An interesting question.

As I see it, do you trust the airline check in staff to be aware that the order will lapse on 17 April?

They may see the order as still being current and require you to comply with it as it currently stands.

What impact will it have on you if they don't let you fly until you get a pre-departure test? Or make you wait until 18 April?

Atm, this is on Qantas website, the Minister's media release that is. So, staff should know that PDT is not required from 18 Apr. The real qns is flights from 17 and landing on 18. There is no directions of PDT cut off being at the time of departure or on entering Aus.

For me, I can take the test at the airport, but the stress is too high with family. Also, I rather delay my flight than to lug family and kids before knowing I am not allowed on board.

 

[Hvr]

The staff in SIN may not be aware that Australian requirements have changed. They will wait until QF apprises them of the changed requirements.

Do you think QF will act quickly to advise their staff?

 

[SeatBackForward]

It's a "Pre-Departure" test. So if you're departing before the enforcement lapses at 12:01 Monday April 18 AEST, the rules still apply. Otherwise it would be an "Upon arrival" requirement.

 

[Happy Dude]

I reckon @SeatBackForward has it right. The line in the sand has to be somewhere, and if the cut off was earlier than 12:01 Monday April 18 AEST then someone else would be on here asking the same question for departures on the 16th.

 

[Zetta]

It's a "Pre-Departure" test. So if you're departing before the enforcement lapses at 12:01 Monday April 18 AEST, the rules still apply. Otherwise it would be an "Upon arrival" requirement.

That is an excellent way of intepreting it.

 

[Zetta]

I reckon @SeatBackForward has it right. The line in the sand has to be somewhere, and if the cut off was earlier than 12:01 Monday April 18 AEST then someone else would be on here asking the same question for departures on the 16th.

If it is determined by arrival time, I can depart in the morning of 17 and reach Aus on the same day. Which means PDT is required. However, if I depart at the night of 17 and arrive on the 18, PDT will not be required. So 16 Apr maybe treat the same, where there are multiple layovers and you arrive in Aus on the 18.

But I can see sense in PDT being determined at the time of departure not arrival as suggested by @SeatBackForward .

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The staff in SIN may not be aware that Australian requirements have changed. They will wait until QF apprises them of the changed requirements.

Do you think QF will act quickly to advise their staff?

I have no answer.. But at the moment, it seems safer to just delay my return by a day.

 

[Happy Dude]

If it is determined by arrival time, I can depart in the morning of 17 and reach Aus on the same day. Which means PDT is required. However, if I depart at the night of 17 and arrive on the 18, PDT will not be required. So 16 Apr maybe treat the same, where there are multiple layovers and you arrive in Aus on the 18.

But I can see sense in PDT being determined at the time of departure not arrival as suggested by @SeatBackForward .

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I have no answer.. But at the moment, it seems safer to just delay my return by a day.

No, you'd be departing on the 17th so PDT would be required. By your logic you could board a plane in LAX at about 5pm on the 16th and not need a PDT as you'd land here early on the 18th. But...

Actually the wording is pretty poor. A pedant could argue that the test is not needed for flights departing on the 17th because that is the day the requirement lapses, ie it has lapsed as of 12:01 on the 17th. It's not clear if the requirement is in place up to 23:59 of that day. Good luck

 

[Zetta]

No, you'd be departing on the 17th so PDT would be required. By your logic you could board a plane in LAX at about 5pm on the 16th and not need a PDT as you'd land here early on the 18th. But...

Actually the wording is pretty poor. A pedant could argue that the test is not needed for flights departing on the 17th because that is the day the requirement lapses, ie it has lapsed as of 12:01 on the 17th. It's not clear if the requirement is in place up to 23:59 of that day. Good luck

Thanks. Well, At least I am in the position to shift my flight to departure on the 18th.

 

[SeatBackForward]

Even more confusing if you're crossing the date line!

 

[Zetta]

Even more confusing if you're crossing the date line!

Well, I got young kids who wants to see their grands but don't want to be stabbed in the nose multiple times. So if I can avoid one time, it is a blessing

 

[MEL_Traveller]

The staff in SIN may not be aware that Australian requirements have changed. They will wait until QF apprises them of the changed requirements.

Do you think QF will act quickly to advise their staff?

Hopefully this should be in TIMATIC rather than check-in staff relying on anything an airline tells them!

I had a look at Air Canada’s travel page… for a 16 April departure LHR-SYD via DXB they list the test as a requirement. For a 17 April departure (ex LHR) they state no test is required.

 

[Mattg]

I had a look at Air Canada’s travel page… for a 16 April departure LHR-SYD via DXB they list the test as a requirement. For a 17 April departure (ex LHR) they state no test is required.

Air Canada via DXB?

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Air Canada via DXB?

nooo they have an interface that allows you to search any itinerary including connecting points. Country rather than airline specific.

Travel Ready hub | Air Canada

Everything you need to know about entry requirements, testing locations, flexible change and cancellation policies, service offering changes, biosafety measures, and more.

www.aircanada.com

 

[Zetta]

Btw, I found this on Singapore's Foreign Affairs. It states arriving at 1am AEDT 18 Apr This

 

[SeatBackForward]

Btw, I found this on Singapore's Foreign Affairs. It states arriving at 1am AEDT 18 Apr This

1am AEDT = 12midnight AEST.

Which of itself is confusing because AEDT (Summer Time) doesn't apply at point in April.

AEDT = Australian Eastern Daylight Time
AEST = Australian Eastern Standard Time

 

[Zetta]

1am AEDT = 12midnight AEST.

Which of itself is confusing because AEDT (Summer Time) doesn't apply at point in April.

AEDT = Australian Eastern Daylight Time
AEST = Australian Eastern Standard Time

Called and waited for 3 hours to confirm with Qantas that a 17th flight would still require PDTesting. Is this a Qantas specific thing? Maybe. Am I going to get a different answer if I called again? Possibly.

Well I do realise I am on a losing battle. I changed my flights to the 18. Problem solved.

 

[pippen_2k]

At the bottom of the Qantas double status / points email today:

'Plus, from 18 April travel will be made easier with pre-departure COVID-19 tests no longer required for fully vaccinated travellers entering Australia'

 

[lbw]

We're booked on a 16 April flight from LAX to Australia. Sounds like we'd be required to test from this forum?