Chalk and (no) cheese experience

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SuzieQ68

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After a fabulous J trip from BNE to DPS (thank you VA and the fabulous cabin crew – it was exceptional), the return leg in J from DPS to MEL was a real disappointment.

As background, we paid for 2 x J tickets over to DPS & redeemed 2 x J award tickets to return. As an aside, we also travelled from/to DPS in J with SQ to pick up the return VA flight (a bit of a status run trip). Now one would have expected the VA experiences for both flights to be on par but sadly they were poles apart.

Firstly, we redeemed 2 x award seats from DPS to ADL direct (for the return leg). A few weeks out from the return date VA so kindly cancelled this service for the one day we wanted to travel home - thus resulting in an 11 hour layover in DPS (from our arrival in from SIN) instead of the 2 hours as was the original plan. As an aside the Premier Lounge @ DPS is a bit dismal - the staff were lovely but the offering lacking. Will separately review this lounge however.

Back to the flight home. Ok so instead of a 1pm departure we were moved to a 10.30pm departure - awesome - not - but no other option unless we wanted to overnight in DPS.

Moving on. Just want to clarify I am definitely no DYKWIA, but it would have been nice if the names on the manifest matched the people sitting in the seats. Supposedly they did not, as the CSM kept saying we were someone else – until I showed her my passport. I kid you not. Strike 1. Oh - strike 2 for asking J passengers to come forward first only to have them embark the bus and wait for everyone else to join them. Guess it was priority boarding …. of the bus .... lol. Didn't care to be honest but thought it really was a waste of time doing the priority boarding thing as we were quite a way behind everyone else getting off the bus to board the plane.

So, we're now on the plane. No alcohol offered as we took our seats, just sparkling water. Let it go, but thought it was a bit strange. The in-flight safety demonstration was also interesting. I’ve never ever seen a safety demonstration whereby each item was either kicked or thrown behind the FA and at another FA. Have to say a little unprofessional – and not even funny.

Once the flight levelled out, we were asked if we'd like soup as a 'refreshment'. No other option, just soup. Actually had no issue with this, however as I didn't feel like soup I asked for some cheese and crackers (you know the packet ones). So sorry, cheese and crackers were not loaded in DPS. Alrighty then. Perhaps I'll just have a glass of sparkling wine. Yeah, sorry about that. Think we have some down the back but it's open, about half full and we’re not sure how long it's been open for. Ok, so maybe I can just have a glass of Sauvignon Blanc??? Think we might have a bottle of Sauvignon Blanc/Semillon. Let me check for you. We don’t like Semillon so was really hoping that it was just Sauvignon Blanc. Woo, winner! CSM managed to rustle up a bottle of straight Sauvignon Blanc. Only downside was it wasn't very cold .... didn't say anything though ... thought I'd created enough problems. So, here I sit with my not quite cold wine, writing this and musing about how the two VA experiences are like chalk and (no) cheese.

The flight over from BNE was amazing - so much so that I sent feedback to VA complimenting the whole crew and especially our J CSM. It truly made us feel like VA were serious about their commitment to being 'full service'. Have flown J many times on SQ, a few on QF, 1 on EY & 1 (terrible) J experience on BA, so although not a regular in J think we have a reasonable idea of what is good and what isn't.

Ok so it was a night flight, not a day flight, but to not even load sparkling wine, chilled wine, and cheese and crackers makes me question VA's commitment to being a 'full service' airline. I appreciate that VA are terminating this route and passing it over to Tiger but hey VA - I'm still a customer and actually deserve your supposed awesome J experience regardless if it's a day, night or a route you no longer care about. I might have used some of my hard earned velocity points for the return leg, but that shouldn't mean I receive a sub standard J product - and this should be regardless of status (FWIW I'm SG & partner is WP). If a VA client uses their points to purchase or upgrade a seat they should come away thinking 'wow - how fabulous was that', not 'wow - wish I hadn't wasted those points'.

As for the service - well there really wasn't any. We seemed to be more of an inconvenience. Wasn't told of a breakfast service so when we woke up we were only 10 minutes from descent. Nothing, and I mean nothing, not even a glass of juice or water was offered. My partner had to ask for a juice and received a glass of orange drink - not even juice. The attitude and service of the CSM (well we assume she was the CSM) was extremely disappointing.

You know, at the end of the day it's a first world problem, but if you're going to offer a product and/or service then it would be nice if you try to make an effort to live up to what you promise. We’ll stick with VA for now, but it does make you think.

I guess I should just be thankful that I made it home. The pilots were great – professional and informative.

As another aside, I asked a question of the forum re checking in back from BKK to Aus via DPS on separate SQ and VA tickets. Have answered that question now so will update my question separately.

FWIW, I will also be sending this to VA as feedback

Cheers, Suz
 
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So no J meals were even loaded ? It almost sounds as if you were on a 737 sold as an economy only route where status members can enjoy the larger seats sans the other J perks, As the manifest didn't have the correct names that further suggests something along those lines. Perhaps none of the FA's had any training in the front cabin either. Just a thought.
 
Could have been kalboy, but we weren't notified of that. No J meals loaded other than soup (and apparently something for breakfast, but since we weren't offered breakfast can't vouch for what it was).

It definitely rates as the worst VA experience (J or Y) we've ever had - and we've flown VA a lot over the past 6 years.

Oh well, you live and learn....
 
Further was your flight number changed to a 4 digit no starting with a 9. Perhaps your original flight was cancelled and your new flight classed as a rescue mission, I would think it possible to claim the difference in points between Y and J if that is what has transpired. Worth following up.
 
Not that I'm aware of - was noted on the BP as VA54 (and shown on the board as same).

I've sent my feedback to VA, but will follow up with them re whether this flight was sold as purely Y (with the benefit to status of J seating). We redeemed the J seats via points (and paid J points prices), so if it was I'd like some of them back.
 
Hi,

What a disappointing experience. Definitely worth talking to VA about.

I have done the same trip from DPS 3 times last year in J. Twice were direct to SYD and the late evening departure (and the other was to PER).

I agree the whole bus thing is a shemozzle (especially in a new terminal).

However, my in-flight experience is vastly different to yours. The only meal option was soup (and the same soup that I had on the way over, as part of a 3 course meal) so my guess is that it is actually loaded in Australia for the return flight. No other option is available for dinner, but a dessert was offered. And despite virtually the whole plane sleeping, I stay awake as I dont sleep well on planes. So when I ask for chocolate, they grab me some from the economy cart. Breakfast was also offered (but then again, I was awake). And I have drunk champagne (Ayala) on both the flights back to Sydney.

The flight to PER was (almost) as bad as yours. Approx 3pm departure, and 3 pax in J. First pax ordered his meal, and then we (myself and partner) offered a beef rendang or some vegetarian salad. We both ordered the rendang, but they only had one left. Then we were offered wine - white or red. I asked what sort of white, and the FA had to go check (no menu). She came back and offered us a sauvignon blanc (said phonetically - I kid you not). It was warm, so i asked for ice whilst she chilled the bottle down. Once we had finished the bottle (between the two of us) we asked for more wine, only to be told there was no more white wine left. The other J pax was not drinking.

I complained about the PER flight (which we paid $$$ for) and got an apology, nothing more.

I wish you more success with your feedback ... keep us posted.
 
Wow beast_man - I'm glad we're not the only ones, but disappointed for you & your partner (esp as you paid for your tickets), and seriously hoping that this not going to be the norm for VA moving forward. An apology is appreciated but really doesn't cut it when you're paying (via $ or points) for a certain level of service. Appears that the DPS route is off the radar for VA now that they're moving it over to Tiger. Shouldn't be the case whilst they're still running under their own banner.

Will let let you know if we get a response.....
 
The DPS flights are very average. Did it recently (in economy) and the service both ways from the crew was very poor. Really poor attitudes and a general disinterest in their jobs.

On the way over the CSM even announced at one point "we're taking a break and won't be providing service for the next half an hour so don't ring your call bell". Also heard him tell the other cabin crew that he was going to "go and tell them there's turbulence coming up" to avoid serving some passengers. He then had the nerve to announce to the entire cabin just before landing "thank you cabin crew for all your hard work, be seated for landing".

I find VA service is generally ok so the two poor flights were quite a shock
 
The DPS flights are very average. Did it recently (in economy) and the service both ways from the crew was very poor. Really poor attitudes and a general disinterest in their jobs.

On the way over the CSM even announced at one point "we're taking a break and won't be providing service for the next half an hour so don't ring your call bell". Also heard him tell the other cabin crew that he was going to "go and tell them there's turbulence coming up" to avoid serving some passengers. He then had the nerve to announce to the entire cabin just before landing "thank you cabin crew for all your hard work, be seated for landing".

I find VA service is generally ok so the two poor flights were quite a shock

OMG that takes the prize! That is a really slack attitude by the VA staff & I really hope VA take note.
 
Wow – all of these stories are kind of unbelievable!

Interesting thought from kalboy that you may have actually been given Y service without crew even realising it. Your BP did have Business written on it, right?

It's so disappointing when the calibre on the C2C routes, and even the east coast runs, is so high – yet this happens on one of the few international routes operated by VA. They really do treat it as a joke... I guess it really is preparing pax for TT.

I keep reading about some of these really bad crews. Such a shame because the large majority of J crew are brilliant.
 
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On the way over the CSM even announced at one point "we're taking a break and won't be providing service for the next half an hour so don't ring your call bell". Also heard him tell the other cabin crew that he was going to "go and tell them there's turbulence coming up" to avoid serving some passengers.

That's potentially very dangerous, I hope you contacted VA about that.
 
On the way over the CSM even announced at one point "we're taking a break and won't be providing service for the next half an hour so don't ring your call bell". Also heard him tell the other cabin crew that he was going to "go and tell them there's turbulence coming up" to avoid serving some passengers. He then had the nerve to announce to the entire cabin just before landing "thank you cabin crew for all your hard work, be seated for landing".

Can you please lodge a complaint about this?

This is utterly disgusting and the FA should be let go.
 
The DPS flights are very average. Did it recently (in economy) and the service both ways from the crew was very poor. Really poor attitudes and a general disinterest in their jobs.

On the way over the CSM even announced at one point "we're taking a break and won't be providing service for the next half an hour so don't ring your call bell". Also heard him tell the other cabin crew that he was going to "go and tell them there's turbulence coming up" to avoid serving some passengers. He then had the nerve to announce to the entire cabin just before landing "thank you cabin crew for all your hard work, be seated for landing".

I find VA service is generally ok so the two poor flights were quite a shock

Wow!!! That's atrociously bad.
I have to say that after reading the OP's post and the follow ups including this I'm even more reluctant to try VA Int.
 
Wow!!! That's atrociously bad.
I have to say that after reading the OP's post and the follow ups including this I'm even more reluctant to try VA Int.

I have had good to excellent service on all my VA Int. flights, J or otherwise.

Perhaps being rostered as an FA on an ex DPS flight is a form of discipline/penance ...
 
Seems like there were a few problems.

For the business class red eye service it is a supper soup with a dessert and warm bakery and then a cold breakfast (usually Bircher muesli, cut fruit and warm bakery) closer to arrival. All business class meal items departing DPS are made in DPS.

Economy will only have cheese and crackers loaded if it is a quick turnaround in DPS as they are loaded from Australia (product not available in DPS) and if the turnaround is too long they do not meet food safety requirements.

I am sure with the feedback provided the cabin crew will be contacted to find out what happened.
 
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