CBR-SYD: Plane, train, bus or car?

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I’ve done the trip between Canberra and Sydney more times than I care to remember and thought I would share my tips about the best way to travel between the two cities. The main ways to travel are by plane, train, bus or in your own car. Each way has its own advantages and disadvantages, as I will explain.

Flying

As a bit of an aviation enthusiast, flying is my favourite method. Travelling by plane is by far the quickest way to get from Canberra to Sydney, however it’s also the most expensive by a fair margin.

The average journey time is under 30 minutes in the air or 1 hour gate-to-gate. However you also need to take into account the time you need to be at the airport prior to the flight. This is generally a minimum of 30 minutes. So all up you’re looking at 90 minutes if there are no delays.

Both Qantas and Virgin fly the route. Qantas use a mixture of Dash 8s, Boeing 717s and the odd Boeing 737 while Virgin mainly use ATRs. Given the choice I would pick a Boeing 737 but the Boeing 717s are good too if you can get a seat in the front half of the plane (away from the noisy engines!).

An average economy fare costs $149 on Qantas and $139 on Virgin. From time to time you might be able to snag a $99 or $109 fare if there is a sale on but I have never seen the price below $79 – and that was a few years ago. Of course, if you book at the last minute the price could be much higher – sometimes $300 or more.

Both airlines serve a complimentary refreshment and drink on every flight. I find the Qantas snacks to be somewhat more substantial though nothing special. You usually get a cheese box, muffin & dip, sandwich or cheese & crackers or piece of banana bread on Qantas, while I got a small pastry (not much larger than a 20c piece) last time I flew Virgin. On Qantas I have found that there is a wider selection of drinks on Dash 8 flights compared to jet services where just tea, coffee, juice and water is offered.

In summary:
Pros: Quickest method, complimentary refreshment, and of course the ability to earn points and status credits!
Cons: The price

Train
NSW TrainLink runs three trains daily between Canberra and Sydney offering morning, noon and evening departures. I find the train to be the most comfortable option however it is also the longest, with a journey time of a little over 4 hours.

The XPLORER service is operated by 3 car trains. There are two cars of economy and one with first class and a cafeteria. The seats are in a 2x2 configuration and reasonably wide, with a good amount of legroom.

I particularly like being able to get up and walk around. There is usually plenty of space as the train is rarely full and I find it is easy to get out my laptop and do some work on board, although there is no wifi or powerpoints.

After a while you will probably begin wondering when the train will pick up speed, then get frustrated when it doesn’t. Yes, it is quite slow… and will remain that way until someone invests in high-speed rail! But otherwise the train is fine.

There is a buffet/cafeteria where you can purchase drinks, light refreshments and also hot meals. At the beginning of the trip they announce what hot meals are available on the day, then hand out tickets for anyone wanting to purchase one. For lunch/dinner there is usually a meat & veges meal for $9, a vegetarian option (generally spinach cannelloni in neapolitana sauce) for $8 and a gluten-free option (often skinless chicken with vegetables) for $9. I have ordered the meals a few times and find them hit-and-miss. I enjoy the cannelloni but the roast beef dish I had a while back was pretty bad. For the price, the portions are a reasonable size.

On almost every trip I have taken recently, they have sold off leftover pies and sausage rolls about an hour before arrival for half-price, so that might be something to look out for.

As well as Central station, the train picks up and drops off in Campbelltown, so if you are travelling to western Sydney it will get you much closer to your destination. It’s not great however if you want to go to the centre of Canberra as Canberra train station is actually in Kingston; not particularly close to Civic.

I should also point out that the train is prone to delays. They are usually fairly minor (10-20 minutes) but I have had one delay of two hours and on more than one occasion we were put onto buses due to track work. Unfortunately in my experience, the train only arrives on time about 30-50% of the time.

The train costs $39.54 or $28.25 for students/pensioners for an economy class ticket. There is also a promotion where you can bring along children under 16 (if they are from the same household) for an extra $1 so if travelling as a family this could be a good option. The prices are fixed and do not go up or down no matter how late you leave it to book a ticket.

First class is generally about $16 extra but in my opinion is not worth it. The only difference is an extra 10cm of leg room and maybe a quieter cabin due to fewer people sitting there, though I have never found either cabin particularly noisy.

In summary:
Pros: comfortable, fair price (especially if travelling with children)
Cons: slowest option, prone to delays

Bus

Both Murrays and Greyhound offer regular services between Canberra and both Sydney Airport & Central station in Sydney. Murrays even offer hourly departures from Jolimont bus station in Canberra.

The bus trip generally takes 3 and a half hours to the Sydney CBD, though it usually stops at Sydney Airport’s international terminal along the way, so if you are catching a flight it’s great.

I have found Murrays buses to be close to 100% full on almost every trip, which means you will almost always sit next to someone and it can feel a little cramped at times.

My preference is Greyhound as I find their buses a little more comfortable, less crowded and, on their “premium” service, they have free wifi. Having said that, Murrays has a more frequent schedule.

The buses do not stop along the way and there is no opportunity to purchase food on board so you may want to bring a sandwich for the trip. Mercifully, there is one toilet at the back of the bus on both carriers.

Prices do fluctuate but are usually between $20 and about $42. You will usually pay at least $24. The bus is usually – but not always – cheaper than the train. It is best to book a few weeks out as the prices may go up in the days before the buses depart. On the same token, if you book too far out they may not have released any of the cheaper tickets yet.

In summary:
Pros: often the cheapest option, quicker than the train, departs and arrives in the CBD
Cons: not the most comfortable option

DIY – drive

Of course, you can drive yourself to Sydney. The drive from Canberra to Sydney is not too onerous. You take the Federal Highway to around Goulburn, then the Hume Highway until you reach the outskirts of Sydney. The drive takes 3 to 3.5 hours, though sometimes a bit more if there is a lot of traffic on the M5 in Sydney.

There are a few places to stop along the way; the most popular is probably the McDonalds in Sutton Forest at about the half-way mark.

It is usually cheaper to take the bus once you take into account the price of fuel, and of course parking in Sydney but if you need your car at your destination then of course it’s better not to need to get a hire car.


Well, there are my thoughts. I do this route frequently and use a combination of all four methods. If I’m in a hurry I might cough up for a plane ticket; if not my preference is probably the train. If travelling from Sydney Airport to Canberra (and vice versa) and you don’t want to buy a plane ticket, the bus is probably your best bet with a travel time of 3 hours & 15 minutes and a price around the $30 mark.

I would be interested to hear how other people travel between Canberra and Sydney and what your favourite methods are.
 
When I lived in CBR I too travelled to SYD far too many times and when work was paying well flying was the only way to do a day trip in a timely manner.


I did Murray's bus lines once and whilst it was convenient because a friend picked me up and drove me to the bus station it wouldn't be feasible if you had to make your own way there from most of CBR. The stop at the airport was where most of my fellow pax (and I) disembarked (Debussed? ;) .

Driving was a real pain until I got my GPS. Still didn't like it but at least I got closer to my destination and of course parking is horrendous anywhere in SYD and surrounds.

I did take the train from SYD-CBR twice but that was on the BAM trips and that is about the only way I would want to travel on a train until it is updated to at least 1980's standard.


At least living in MEL driving is really the only option.
 
First I should begin by saying that I don't drive, so DIY isn't an option for me.

My main reason for flying CBR-SYD is to take an international flight. If it can all be done on all the same itinerary, then I'll generally fly. If not, I'll usually fly or take the bus the day before to be 100% safe.

The train just doesn't have the frequency, and there is the risk of getting stuck. I do agree that it's more comfortable than the bus when everything works, though. But there's much much less risk of arriving even an hour later than scheduled if you go by bus.

Flying SYD-CBR, I'm usually on the way back from an international trip and more tired, so I'll usually fly with QF, basically because the frequency is better.

In the past, I've also bought a bus ticket in winter as a hedge against a morning flight being delayed by fog. Cheap insurance.
 
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Excellent write up. Have completed all the options except bus, I just don't do bus.

Of course like Hvr the BAM is the best mode of travel between these two location.:mrgreen:

Matt
 
Thanks for this article. I read this this morning in a Canberra hotel. Last week I flew to Canberra and it was a breeze, yesterday I drove down and 90 mins in I was wondering why we didn't fly.. The car is handy once you're there though and the drive is easy. My preference is flying. Did the triain years ago, but decided it wasn't for me, likewise the bus.
 
This is an interesting thread for me, having moved to Canberra 14 months ago and travelling a lot for work, pleasure and to visit friends/family back in Perth.

I've done all except the train. I agree with the original post overall. Some comments to add to the discussion:

-I find Canberrans (the locals lol) tend to like to get the bus to connect to an international flight from Sydney (are they just stingy?) whereas I always prefer to fly if using Sydney as a transit point

-The bus is SUPER uncomfortable if you're even the slightest bit comfort focused... Again, many Canberrans don't seem to mind, if I had to sit next to a stranger (and not my partner) on that bus I'd never ever do it again.... Indeed my partner and I agreed we would avoid it for comfort reasons in the future.

-Car is obviously most convenient non-flight option as there aremany stops you can make on the way for food/fuel/drinks/wee breaks

Looking forward to trying the train some time! Wish it had true 'first class' seats like in Europe!
 
-I find Canberrans (the locals lol) tend to like to get the bus to connect to an international flight from Sydney (are they just stingy?) whereas I always prefer to fly if using Sydney as a transit point

I have done a mixture of both. I definitely prefer flying but it can add $100-$200 onto the price of an international flight ticket each way. A couple of times I have flown AKL-SYD-CBR or vice versa and paid more for the SYD-CBR leg than the flight to/from NZ! So I think taking the bus is actually quite a rational option if adding 2 hours of travel time saves over $100.
 
So I think taking the bus is actually quite a rational option if adding 2 hours of travel time saves over $100.

I agree and would do it more often (just because of the predictability time-wise) if they could get their act together a little better with options like a "comfort seat" at full price. But seating is a free-for-all.
 
I guess I can understand that Mattg. Personally I'd value $100 bucks less than sitting on a super uncomfortable bus (again that's me - comfort focused overall) for an extra 2 hours over flying.

Then this is coming from a person who flew Sri Lankan Airlines in order to have a flat bed to Europe and not have to pay $5k for business class - priorities, priorities lol
 
Also, I don't think taking the bus always "adds two hours", especially if the CBR-SYD and SYD-(somewhere overseas) legs wouldn't be on the same ticket.

I'd be comfortable arriving at Jolimont 20 minutes before the bus departure and arriving at SYD INT say 90 minutes before my flight's departure.

If I were flying, I'd be getting to CBR at least an hour before departure and factoring in at least two hours to transfer at SYD.

Anyway, not a bus fan either, but it makes more sense than you'd think sometimes.
 
I agree and would do it more often (just because of the predictability time-wise) if they could get their act together a little better with options like a "comfort seat" at full price. But seating is a free-for-all.

Agreed... There is room for improvement.

If I can get a vacant neighboring seat (am I allowed to call it a shadow in this context? :p) and free wifi then I would be happy enough to take the bus. On Greyhound I have got this 9/10 times but never on Murrays - Murrays don't have wifi and their buses are almost always 100% full.

There are similar issues with the train - although there is seat allocation it is automatically generated so you don't have any choice in the matter. At least there are usually plenty of free seats.
 
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