Anniversary Wines

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Mrs667 is 40 next year and seeing a 1978 Cyril Henschke on Lantons got me to wondering if there was any point trying to get hold of a special wine for the occasion.

So, a few questions for my fellow AFFers:

- Does anyone have any first hand experience of good wines from that vintage?

- If I buy from a random Langtons lot (or similar), what do think are my chances of winning the cork lottery? Does this improve with the more 'premium' wines?

- What's a reasonable ullage on bottles of that age?


All thoughts welcomed, and if anyone wants to discuss other years for their nearest and dearest please do!
 
I'd get in touch with the D'Or to Door people. They seem to have plenty of back vintage Bordeaux and Barolos, which they sell retail. I think Daver6 has bought a few from them, and they've made good on the dud bottles.
 
I seem to remember a visit to Seppetsfield in the Barossa having Port by the year in their cellar and think you can purchase some - not 100% sure but it might be worth a phone call or email
 
Mrs667 is 40 next year and seeing a 1978 Cyril Henschke on Lantons got me to wondering if there was any point trying to get hold of a special wine for the occasion.

So, a few questions for my fellow AFFers:

- Does anyone have any first hand experience of good wines from that vintage?

- If I buy from a random Langtons lot (or similar), what do think are my chances of winning the cork lottery? Does this improve with the more 'premium' wines?

- What's a reasonable ullage on bottles of that age?


All thoughts welcomed, and if anyone wants to discuss other years for their nearest and dearest please do!

I think with wines of that age it becomes more about the occasion than the wine; enjoy in good health and don't analyse the wine.
 
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Mrs667 is 40 next year and seeing a 1978 Cyril Henschke on Lantons got me to wondering if there was any point trying to get hold of a special wine for the occasion.

So, a few questions for my fellow AFFers:

- Does anyone have any first hand experience of good wines from that vintage?

- If I buy from a random Langtons lot (or similar), what do think are my chances of winning the cork lottery? Does this improve with the more 'premium' wines?

- What's a reasonable ullage on bottles of that age?


All thoughts welcomed, and if anyone wants to discuss other years for their nearest and dearest please do!

Having just done the 40th celebration thing, I'd recommend going for the best wines your money can buy. Forget about matching the anniversary age. There's so few reliable wines in the 40 year category, that you'll be better off going for an icon wine at 20-25 years instead.

You also have to like super aged wines. They are not for everyone. If you, your lovely wife and would-be guests are not used to the big tertiary characteristics and faded fruit flavours that many 40 year old icon wines display, then even the best of a Bordeaux or Barolo may be a bit lost on the palates at your party.

If you were looking at '78 wines, and wanted something close to home, then you could hunt out a Grange that has been through the Penfolds Clinic. The 78 Grange got a Robert Parker 93, with a glowing review in 2002. I wouldn't touch one without the clinic seal of approval if you don't want the gamble. A good one, though is going to set you back $800 or so. CellarIt have plenty of options. But phone them to work out the best one available.

The experts say '78 was a good (not outstanding) year in Bordeaux. Latour. Haut Brion. And the other usual suspects spring to mind. But from a quick read of a few independent articles, many of the 78 Bordeaux are past their peaks of the 90s, and are very much in that tertiary phase.

As AC said, there's also the usual Barolo suspects. There's also Spanish Rioja. Portugal's Port. America's Nappa Cabs. The Chateau du Papes. And more. I suspect most are past their prime, despite their lofty reputations and matching price tags.

So my suggestion: if you like Shiraz, go for the best Shiraz your budget can buy in its prime drinking window with good providence. If you like a straight Cab or the Bordeaux blend, then go for the best you can in your chosen category.

Pay a bit extra for the providence too. It's the opposite of this fine Wine Lovers thread - don't hunt for the cheapest available price. But the best providence. Phone the vendors behind the deals you are looking at. If they can't vouch for providence, then maybe keep hunting.

You have time.

And last, but not least, and best of all: enjoy the chase. I loved hunting out and researching all the wines I got for my birthday dinners. It was great fun. Probably as much fun as savouring them all.

And last, last, but not least: don't go too crazy on the number of wines you choose to bring to the party. The more you have - the more the averaging-effect kicks in. There's only so many Haut Brions and Grange you can truly savour in the sublime realm before they all start to taste a bit great, but not sublime. Sadly, that's just how most of us are wired.

Happy hunting. And looking forward to hearing what you eventually settle on ...
 
Thanks for all the replies guys. I do like the idea of finding an Aussie wine that we would resonate with us, as all the 1978 wines on the Door to Cellar D'Or page are unknowns to me (not having much experience with wines outside of Oz).

The difficulty I have is my father-in-law has an extensive and excellent cellar, and Mrs667 has enjoyed some fantastic wines through him (she had birth year Grange at her 30th), so I might need to think outside the box a little.

Maybe I can ask another question, and seek some recommendations for some quality wines that lie outside the usual names? I'm happy to consider a Shiraz, Cab, or Bordeaux blend.
 
Thanks for all the replies guys. I do like the idea of finding an Aussie wine that we would resonate with us, as all the 1978 wines on the Door to Cellar D'Or page are unknowns to me (not having much experience with wines outside of Oz).

The difficulty I have is my father-in-law has an extensive and excellent cellar, and Mrs667 has enjoyed some fantastic wines through him (she had birth year Grange at her 30th), so I might need to think outside the box a little.

Maybe I can ask another question, and seek some recommendations for some quality wines that lie outside the usual names? I'm happy to consider a Shiraz, Cab, or Bordeaux blend.

Apologies if you aren't interested but I have always found the best aged wines (25+ years) are sweet or sparkling. 1978 Dom Perignon is meant to be superb, when it isn't flawed. A 1978 Rieussec or D'Yquem may be interesting. If you can find a solera style port/sherry starting in 1978 that may prove an interesting way to get the age but keep the wine accessible.

Since I didn't really answer your request for a red wine, I'll defer to Antonio Galloni, who has some recommendations for 1978 Italians here:
Vintage Retrospective: The 1978 Barolos and Barbarescos (Jan 2006) | Vinous - Explore All Things Wine
 
I'd get in touch with the D'Or to Door people. They seem to have plenty of back vintage Bordeaux and Barolos, which they sell retail. I think Daver6 has bought a few from them, and they've made good on the dud bottles.

Beaten to it. This is where I'd be looking.

1978 was a great vintage for Burgundy. I have a friend who is both a Burgundy nut and born in 1978 too. He has shared some village level Burgundy from 1978 that he only pauid about $80 for that was stunning.

My only hesitation with suggesting going this route is if you've never had old Burgundy (or any old wine), it just might not be to your liking, regardless of how good it is.

Not sure I'd be Australian wines at auction of that age unless provenance is known and assured. Australian conditions are just too hot if not stored properly.

As for ullage, I'd be expecting high shoulder on a Bordeaux bottle.
 
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