AFR Article - Joe Aston goes BAM!

Conflate (not cornflute) has been a term-of-the-month for the last few years, so I'll begrudgingly use it...

Quite a few people here conflate Joyce and Qantas, when defending Joyce.

Here's a helpful primer:

QANTAS - A great airline diminished.

Joyce - The cheap little facsimile who trashed Qantas.
 
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HSB44 said:
Minister for Qantas Catherine King crashes on take-off

Joe Aston certainly isn't letting up on Qantas yet - this time he's getting stuck into the Minister too.

Personally I think he's right on the money - it's beyond acceptable what AJ got away with at taxpayers expense by spooking, lobbying and currying government.
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RooFlyer said:
I’m waiting for Joel Aston to get stuck into that last interview.

I notice Ms King put a transcript of a previous Cairns radio interview on her web site

CATHERINE KING – TRANSCRIPT – RADIO INTERVIEW – 4CA CAIRNS – WEDNESDAY, 16 MARCH 2022 – Catherine King

www.catherineking.com.au www.catherineking.com.au

I’ll keep checking back for a transcript of this last one, to check the AFR quotes.
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Mickey Mouse said:
Conflate (not cornflute) has been a term-of-the-month for the last few years, so I'll begrudgingly use it...

Quite a few people here conflate Joyce and Qantas, when defending Joyce.

Here's a helpful primer:

QANTAS - A great airline diminished.

Joyce - The cheap little facsimile who trashed Qantas.
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Why aren't we factoring in the shareholders, who are the real ones who actually approve the decisions made by Joyce and were thus too gutless to actually say anything? Where were they to disendorse the voting decisions at the AGM? Where were they with the knives that every Australian (except perhaps Ms King) wanted to deservedly plant into Joyce's back and then some? Where was the any shred of empathy for the workers?

I don't care if the majority shareholders are faceless, gutless, amoral, spineless corporations - isn't there a phrase somewhere about those who sit around and let bad happen are just as guilty as those who commit the act?

Yes, I am well aware that the notion of a public-company shareholder who actually has a spine and a heart is a furphious concept.
 
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Solid said:
There has been a sustained attack on Joyce by Rear Window in the AFR. So they removed access to the AFR in the lounge.

Some would say the Emperor has no clothes.
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Yes, yet they still play Sky News last time I was in MEL domestic J, which we all know is really sympathetic to Joyce and always presents a fair and balanced view ...

I have not always been a fan of Aston but he usually gets it right with QF. No other corporate gets given a free ride so often by the government and the press, to the detriment of the Australian public (job keeper, the recent QR debacle, free publicity whenever they launch a new plane or route, etc). Yes the media comes down on them from time to time - such as when they selectively start reporting any technical issues like they are newsworthy, or back during the significant delays and baggage losses - but I would still say a clear net gain for QF.
 
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wws199 said:
Yes, yet they still play Sky News last time I was in MEL domestic J, which we all know is really sympathetic to Joyce and always presents a fair and balanced view ...
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Sky aren’t fans of any Labor Government or the Union movement yet apparently Labor (controlled by the Union movement) is in the pocket of QANTAS. Something doesn’t pass the pub test there.
 
SYD said:
Sky aren’t fans of any Labor Government or the Union movement yet apparently Labor (controlled by the Union movement) is in the pocket of QANTAS. Something doesn’t pass the pub test there.
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Indeed, the point is perhaps that QF isn't entirely consistent ...
 
wws199 said:
Indeed, the point is perhaps that QF isn't entirely consistent ...
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Apparently the Government also. Given that AJ is the TWUs Public Enemy #1. It’s going to be very quiet on AFF when AJ does move on…😉

Meanwhile, why does Joe Ashton have a hornets nest up his proverbial? Did he miss out on the CL pass? 😂
 
anat0l said:
I don't care if the majority shareholders are faceless, gutless, amoral, spineless corporations - isn't there a phrase somewhere about those who sit around and let bad happen are just as guilty as those who commit the act?
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I agree pretty much with what you’re saying. The real impact shareholders have on the company is at the AGM and the vote to elect or re-elect directors. It’s a very very major decision for shareholders to not re elect a director. Large shareholders, fund managers, almost never take this option. They sort out their concerns out out of the public gaze.

The other major Lever shareholders have this is on the remuneration report - whether to accept or not the boards remuneration proposals. There are legislated consequences of a remuneration report being voted down. I think it’s twice.

Then there are also organisations who recommend to shareholders ( fund managers for the most part) how they should vote on certain issues, especially where they see issues within a company’s governance.

Unfortunately, none of the above see much of a problem with the company making huge profits and gouging its customers.
 
wws199 said:
Yes, yet they still play Sky News last time I was in MEL domestic J, which we all know is really sympathetic to Joyce and always presents a fair and balanced view ...
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Actually Sky are absolutely scathing of Joyce (and to an extent, Qantas generally), and most of their commentators have been questioning the Qatar decision almost as much as Joe Aston. In particular Sharri Markson whose day job is an editor with the Australian.

SYD said:
Meanwhile, why does Joe Ashton have a hornets nest up his proverbial? Did he miss out on the CL pass? 😂
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I have a working theory one of the frequent ranters on AFF is actually Joe Aston 🤣
 
SYD said:
yet apparently Labor (controlled by the Union movement) is in the pocket of QANTAS. Something doesn’t pass the pub test there.
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Yeh. People are on and on about QF influence over the government in relation to the QR decision. If there was someone influencing the minister in relation to the decision about “protecting (a subset of ) Australian jobs” I know where I’d put my money on for where that influence comes from , and it’s not from AJ or Qantas.
 
dajop said:
Yeh. People are on and on about QF influence over the government in relation to the QR decision. If there was someone influencing the minister in relation to the decision about “protecting (a subset of ) Australian jobs” I know where I’d put my money on for where that influence comes from , and it’s not from AJ or Qantas.
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And my money is it's not even that minister
 
Himeno said:
Who is Joe Aston?
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Writer in the financial press, the AFR (Australian Financial Review). His articles have been frequently quoted on AFF. You won't see the AFR in Qantas lounges, as they got taken out when Aston started his series of articles on Qantas and Alan Joyce. I mean, how petty and puerile is that? The airline targeting business travellers bans the only business-specific newspaper in the country because a writer is critical. 🤣 .

‘Corporate cancel culture’: News Corp boss slams Qantas ban on AFR

Use this for the paywall: 12ft – Hop any paywall

The decision echoes a move by Qantas to pull advertising from The Sydney Morning Herald and The Age in 2014 following a call from journalist Adele Ferguson for Mr Joyce to resign after a $2.8 billion loss. Ferguson and then-Herald business and aviation reporter Matt O’Sullivan wrote about safety concerns and about Mr Joyce’s decision to ground the Qantas fleet in 2011.

Nine has backed the Financial Review’s coverage of Qantas and Mr Joyce. James Chessell, Nine’s managing director of publishing, on Sunday said the company would not change its approach.

“It’s disappointing Qantas management has decided to deprive its customers of the country’s best business and finance journalism because it can’t countenance robust criticism,” he said.
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Himeno said:
Who is Joe Aston?
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The guy is absolutely obsessed with Alan Joyce. He‘s got no credibility and frequently gets facts wrong.

Even the ABC classes him as a “gossip columnist“ and described him as vile.

www.abc.net.au

Ep 9 - AFR's Joe Aston and his vitriolic language - Media Watch

After accusing former cricket coach Darren Lehmann of a homophobic slur we recount some of Joe Aston's vitriolic language
www.abc.net.au www.abc.net.au

I‘ve seen mods delete posts here that would make more professional articles than his.
 

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