WSI for Western Sydney Airport

[dajop]

Not sure it would be worth the energy for a single service to depart later in the evening, unless they perhaps ran totally on contracted ground staff. This is where an alliance member like AI deciding to go all in might help. SQ is too premium not to have options for it's bells and whistles at any port. Premium check-in, lounge, etc. all need to be available.

SQ run to a number of ports single daily, or less (eg FCO), and by and large even at major ports like MEL they rely on contract staff. (refer to the SQ trips and tales thread for documentation of some of the problems with Swissport there!). Where partner lounges don’t exist they will usually pay for access to a contract lounge or if necessary hand out F&B vouchers. All they really need is a station manager to oversee the contractors.

 

[jpp42]

So it's almost certain to be called Sydney / Nancy Bird Walton in ERSA etc (YSSY is Sydney / Kingsford Smith) and not Western Sydney. But I could be proved wrong.

They won't use names of people in the airport descriptors, it would only be locations like Mascot or "Western Sydney." IATA has very strict rules against this (there are some exceptions obviously like JFK), but the idea is that these names are often chosen for political reasons and

I am not familiar with ICAO rules specifically but I can't see that many ICAO names use the personal / honorific names. Also, there are a lot of "YS" that are not in Sydney so don't think it's that strict? (example YSGE , YSPV, and YSPT in Queensland, YSRN in Tasmania, etc).

 

[justinbrett]

They won't use names of people in the airport descriptors, it would only be locations like Mascot or "Western Sydney." IATA has very strict rules against this (there are some exceptions obviously like JFK), but the idea is that these names are often chosen for political reasons and

I am not familiar with ICAO rules specifically but I can't see that many ICAO names use the personal / honorific names. Also, there are a lot of "YS" that are not in Sydney so don't think it's that strict? (example YSGE , YSPV, and YSPT in Queensland, YSRN in Tasmania, etc).

Talking about ICAO. YSSY is called SYDNEY / KINGSFORD SMITH.

The S in YS is not Sydney city, it's Sydney FIR (which no longer exists) and loosely covered all of NSW & ACT. Refer my post where I explained this - if it was a two letter navaid, the first letter was the FIR - B (Brisbane), P (Perth), S (Sydney), M (Melbourne). That's why Hobart is YMHB, Alice is YBAS, Darwin is YPDN and Canberra is YSCB. The entire country was split between these four FIRs.

Only Brisbane and Melbourne FIRs exist now, but the historical FIR codes still exist. The two letter codes, whilst out of fashion now, still exist, most recently when YBMC (MCY) changed to YBSU.

There are a lot of three letters that start with B, S, P and M so that letter (as in YSPT) is not necessarily the FIR letter.

I would imagine, unlike IATA, ICAO do not get involved in individual code assignments, and leave that up to the respective countries - since unlike IATA the ICAO codes operate a bit like a domain name, where Australia owns all of Yxx_ and USA Kxx_. The USA has its system of assigning codes (K + FAA code, which is often but not always the IATA code), Australia as I described above.

 

[jpp42]

The S in YS is not Sydney city, it's Sydney FIR (which no longer exists) and loosely covered all of NSW & ACT

Yes, sorry if I wasn't clear, I was referring to the last two letters, the SY at the end of YSSY refers to SydneY specifically. It's not YSKS for Kingsford Smith and unlikely it ever will be as these organisations don't like using personal names in location codes.

 

[justinbrett]

Yes, sorry if I wasn't clear, I was referring to the last two letters, the SY at the end of YSSY refers to SydneY specifically. It's not YSKS for Kingsford Smith and unlikely it ever will be as these organisations don't like using personal names in location codes.

I don't think they care to be honest (IATA might, they're an unrelated agency), as I said I'm almost certain it's not ICAO itself issuing the code. In any case I never suggested they'd use NBW in the code. I suggested SW for Sydney West. Almost certainly the full name will be SYDNEY / (Nancy Bird) WALTON to match YSSY, or possibly SYDNEY WEST / NBW. Remote chance it will be WESTERN SYDNEY / NBW but that breaks their own directive that was only recently issued.

Badgerys Creek would have been a much simper name, as most airports have a geographic name as their descriptor (Avalon, Bankstown, Moorabbin etc) but that one fell out of favour.

 

[dairyfloss]

I don't think they care to be honest (IATA might, they're an unrelated agency), as I said I'm almost certain it's not ICAO itself issuing the code. In any case I never suggested they'd use NBW in the code. I suggested SW for Sydney West. Almost certainly the full name will be SYDNEY / (Nancy Bird) WALTON to match YSSY, or possibly SYDNEY WEST / NBW. Remote chance it will be WESTERN SYDNEY / NBW but that breaks their own directive that was only recently issued.

Badgerys Creek would have been a much simper name, as most airports have a geographic name as their descriptor (Avalon, Bankstown, Moorabbin etc) but that one fell out of favour.

Tougher to sell the premium carriers on 'the airport in a creek, out west'

 

[justinbrett]

Tougher to sell the premium carriers on 'the airport in a creek, out west'

Premium DXB hotels do it "Why not upgrade to our premium Creek View rooms?"

 

[AustraliaPoochie]

Well it would probably still cheaper to catch the train to city from WSI compare to SYD.

Just wait and see if they bring in a gate fee.
Edit (must commend the (P(reMier)) of WA for allowing the PER T1 airport line train stations not to have a gate fee).
Pain in the bum is that we have to change trains, at a certain point, as that new airport train will be driverless.

 

[drron]

A couple of airport hotels at WSI would be nice.
I would definitely use one and getting a later flight out of Asia is then feasible knowing I will have a bed for the night before our flight back to MCY or BNE.

 

[justinbrett]

Just wait and see if they bring in a gate fee.
Edit (must commend the (P(reMier)) of WA for allowing the PER T1 airport line train stations not to have a gate fee).
Pain in the bum is that we have to change trains, at a certain point, as that new airport train will be driverless.

That's just a function of who built the line / stations.

In both Sydney and Brisbane it was private investment.

Perth was government funded (State & Federal).

As far as I'm aware rail to Western Sydney is included in the wider Sydney Metro project which is also government funded - as is, I believe, Melbourne's,

 

[Lynda2475]

However to transfer from SYD/WSI or vice versa will incur the the platform fee for SYD and require change of 3 trains SYD-Central (heavy rail), Central - St Mary's (heavy rail), St Mary's - WSI (Metro). It wont be seamless (and the heavy rail carriages dont have areas for lugagge etc)

 

[dajop]

However to transfer from SYD/WSI or vice versa will incur the the platform fee for SYD and require change of 3 trains SYD-Central (heavy rail), Central - St Mary's (heavy rail), St Mary's - WSI (Metro). It wont be seamless (and the heavy rail carriages dont have areas for lugagge etc)

For such a transfer a bus linking from the airport to a station on the Macarthur (Airport) line (such as Glenfield) might be much quicker than 3 trains. But I assume that won't happen.

 

[drron]

The Sydney Metro project to Westmead is being built now. the extension from Westmead to WSI is also planned but won't be up and running for a few years. but when it is I am sure there will be services from the CBD to WSI with maybe a change at Westmead. No SYD platform fee and no heavy rail.

 

[RooFlyer]

Has a sale timetable of WSI been speculated on?

 

[justinbrett]

The Sydney Metro project to Westmead is being built now. the extension from Westmead to WSI is also planned but won't be up and running for a few years. but when it is I am sure there will be services from the CBD to WSI with maybe a change at Westmead. No SYD platform fee and no heavy rail.

I believe @Lynda2475 was referring to SYD airport transfers, so you'll be paying the SYD airport access fee on that trip.

 

[Lynda2475]

The Sydney Metro project to Westmead is being built now. the extension from Westmead to WSI is also planned but won't be up and running for a few years. but when it is I am sure there will be services from the CBD to WSI with maybe a change at Westmead. No SYD platform fee and no heavy rail.

Except you still need to get from SYD Airport to the CBD - so the 3 transfers still stands if you are connecting from SYD (the Airport) to WSI (the airport) or vice versa unless you drive/uber all the way.

My post clearly state SYD (which is airport code) not Sydney the city.

 

[SeatBackForward]

However to transfer from SYD/WSI or vice versa will incur the the platform fee for SYD and require change of 3 trains SYD-Central (heavy rail), Central - St Mary's (heavy rail), St Mary's - WSI (Metro). It wont be seamless (and the heavy rail carriages dont have areas for lugagge etc)

The Sydney Metro project to Westmead is being built now. the extension from Westmead to WSI is also planned but won't be up and running for a few years. but when it is I am sure there will be services from the CBD to WSI with maybe a change at Westmead. No SYD platform fee and no heavy rail.

There are plans for three Metro lines that will then connect to WSI:

• Tallawong to St Marys
• Westmead to the Aerotropolis
• Bankstown to Glenfield via Liverpool; and
• Macarthur to the Aerotropolis.

(from Metro boost for Western Sydney)

 

[SYD]

There are plans for three Metro lines that will then connect to WSI:

• Tallawong to St Marys
• Westmead to the Aerotropolis
• Bankstown to Glenfield via Liverpool; and
• Macarthur to the Aerotropolis.

(from Metro boost for Western Sydney)

But unfortunately you’ll still to change trains to get from SYD T1/T2/T3 onto the Metro line - in due course the SW metro to WSI would be quickest but the current airport line and Metro design don’t interchange particularly well…. I recall there was a kerfuffle at the metro planning stage not to route the sw metro via the airport.

 

[http_x92]

Obviously the best case scenario would be the ability to easily change at Glenfield from WSI and then onto the city via East Hills, Sydney Airport and then the City using the express tracks. Would still take about an hour to the city.

Seems like the St Mary's-Macarthur metro is the most likely route though.

 

[justinbrett]

I think the number of pax transferring between SYD and WSI on an hourly basis would be pretty small, not enough to be designing public transport infrastructure around them.

Ever done a LHR-LGW transfer?