Cruising choices with an active Pandemic

[Pushka]

Spain has announced an indefinite ban on cruise ships entering Spanish ports possibly into 2021.

Spain bans cruise ships 'until coronavirus crisis is finally over'

SPAIN has extended the ban on cruise ships in its ports potentially well into 2021, not doubt causing heartbreak for Britons with their sights set on such a holiday.

www.express.co.uk

And the UK Foreign Office has advised all UK citizens to not go cruising.

Foreign Office tells ALL tourists not to go on cruises due to Covid-19

The Foreign and Commonwealth Office (FCO) has today issued a statement advising people against embarking on cruise ships, over fears of the spread of Covid-19.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Incidentally at the same time allowed travel to 59 countries.Though one on the list is Australia.A list is in the above link.

And some think Carnival will emerge stronger from this setback.

Carnival Could Emerge From the Pandemic Stronger, Stifel Says

“We have been able to identify several enhancements borne out of the shutdown that strengthen our conviction in our Buy-rated recommendation on CCL shares,” Stifel says in a research note.

www.barrons.com

CDC has now extended to September 30.

 

[p--and--t]

Casually observing the posting of cruisers and cruising websites has certainly opened my eyes to the prevalence of mental illness.

At least an order of magnitude, and more, of delusional thoughts or at least tunnel vision thought patterns than I could have ever imagined.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Spain has announced an indefinite ban on cruise ships entering Spanish ports possibly into 2021.

Spain bans cruise ships 'until coronavirus crisis is finally over'

SPAIN has extended the ban on cruise ships in its ports potentially well into 2021, not doubt causing heartbreak for Britons with their sights set on such a holiday.

www.express.co.uk

Thanks for the links. I did note in the first link:

On its website, Carnival clarified that all of the below sailings would be cancelled:

All San Francisco sailings through 2020.

All Carnival Sunrise sailings through and including October 19, 2020.

All Carnival Legend sailings through and including October 30, 2020.

All Carnival Radiance sailings through and including November 1, 2020.

All Carnival Spirit Alaska, Hawaii, & Trans-Pacific sailings through and including October 6, 2020.

All Other Ships sailings through and including September 30, 2020.

 

[zig]

Ponant has just completed a 7 day expedition cruise of the French coast line, There is a webinar by a Belgian journalist who was onboard which covers some of the conditions of travel. A negative test required 48 hours pre-embarkation, masks were required, temperature checking prior to entering the dining room, only 2 in the pool at one time. They cruised within a 'bubble' and didn't interact with anyone other than passengers and crew. For this first cruise the ship was at 20% capacity.

replay-mike-louagie-disembarks-first-cruise-since-covid-in-normandy

 

[tgh]

Coral expeditions Covid Plan…. pretty good ?

First rescheduled cruise now 20/08/20 , they are running both ships in the Kimberley , Darwin to Broome and reverse and they may well run full…good on 'em

https://www.coralexpeditions.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/SailSAFE-plan-final-1.pdf

 

[luxury-lizard]

Coral expeditions Covid Plan…. pretty good ?

First rescheduled cruise now 20/08/20 , they are running both ships in the Kimberley , Darwin to Broome and reverse and they may well run full…good on 'em

https://www.coralexpeditions.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/SailSAFE-plan-final-1.pdf

Very impressive but until WA open their border to other states where will the guests come from?

 

[tgh]

Indeed , and my run full postulation assumed we could be open across au by August..

Uncharacteristic optimism on my part perhaps….

They should get marks for trying though , via a bit of publicity...

 

[p--and--t]

CDC has banned cruises to/from US ports until 30 Sep 2020.

Industry association has a general voluntary suspension until 15 Sep 2020

CDC Extends Its No-Sail Order to September 30

(Updated 1:50 p.m. EDT) -- The U.S. Centers for Disease Control & Prevention has issued an extension of its No Sail Order that was due to expire July 24, extending it until September 30, 2020, for all cruises out of U.S. ports of call. The order, which first was issued March 14 and extended for...

www.cruisecritic.com.au

 

[Anna]

I can't really think of anything that would make me get on a cruise ship this year. Not even if they paid me the full fare. I don't care what precautions they say they are taking. In fact the more precautions like masks etc, the worse it sounds as an experience.

YMMV.

 

[tgh]

Coral E's plan does not mandate masks which is conceptually attractive.
The problem of carriers who are on the cusp of being symptomatic is not addressed 100% in any cruising plan that I have seen.
It only takes on bad egg in the dish…..

 

[tgh]

The logic of all this evades me.. but a lot of folks are clearly betting on bright future for cruising

Why Investors Are Still Betting on Carnival Cruise Lines

What’s driving the irrational optimism for an industry least likely to survive a pandemic?

marker.medium.com

 

[k_sheep]

Antarctica-AUNZ | Chimu Adventures

Optimism, thy name is Chimu.

They are gambling on a Australia / NZ / Antarctica bubble.

 

[VPS]

The logic of all this evades me.. but a lot of folks are clearly betting on bright future for cruising

Why Investors Are Still Betting on Carnival Cruise Lines

What’s driving the irrational optimism for an industry least likely to survive a pandemic?

marker.medium.com

If you look at a lot of the reports and social media there is a disturbing percentage of Americans that think Covid is made up and not dangerous. They are itching to get back on to their cruises. Good luck to them but I won't be cruising for a while yet even though I own Carnival shares

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Antarctica-AUNZ | Chimu Adventures

Optimism, thy name is Chimu.

They are gambling on a Australia / NZ / Antarctica bubble.

Or if no bubble, just cashed up Kiwis, assuming that the NZ Gov lets the ship in.

 

[zig]

Crystal is the latest to release their protocols for future cruising.

Crystal Clean+ | Crystal

www.crystalcruises.com.au

 

[mrs.dr.ron]

"Crystal Clean " I wonder which Executive team came up with that and how long did it take !!

 

[tgh]

All quite amazing..

Carnival Corporation at the last earning call stated that it was holding $2,900,000,000 (billion) in refunds owed to customers, which it views as liquidity. What a business model! Using other people's money to try and stay afloat . .

 

[drron]

Princess cruises won't restart until at least December 2020.Except in Australia where they say they are suspended until November 1st.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/business/tourism-cruises/article244418237.html

Their parent Carnival says they don't expect to be back to a full schedule until 2022.

Carnival cruise lines plan 'staggered' comeback, won't return to full capacity until 2022

Carnival's eight cruise lines will take a phased return to sailing determined by region and will not reach full capacity until 2022 at the earliest.

www.usatoday.com

Interestingly that article has a little on an inquiry into cruising inthe Congress in USA.

In early May, Carnival was put under investigation by the U.S. Congress over its handling of outbreaks of COVID-19 on its ships.

The House of Representatives required the company, which owns at least nine ships that experienced outbreaks, including the Diamond Princess and the Grand Princess – to turn over all internal documents pertaining to COVID-19 from Jan. 1 onward.

Interesting to see if they get more on the Ruby Princess than the NSW Inquiry.

But then the world needs to have a plan for crews trapped around the world unable to disembark.Several suicides already.

Stranded on ships, 200,000 seafarers struggle in coronavirus limbo

Many have been trapped on vessels for months after their tours were supposed to end as travel restrictions disrupted normal crew rotations

www.dhakatribune.com

A couple of articles on the CDC reports on the cruise industry.

Cruise ships pose risk for 'amplified,' 'scattered' COVID-19 community spread, CDC official says

"It's quite clear this is a formula for accelerated introduction, transmission and then accelerated spread," Martin Cetron of the CDC said.

www.usatoday.com

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/business/tourism-cruises/article244269937.html

 

[lovetravellingoz]

German cruise ship tests water amid coronavirus pandemic

German cruise ship tests water amid coronavirus pandemic

A German cruise ship is due to set sail for the first time since the industry was shut down months ago to prevent the spread of coronavirus.

www.standard.co.uk

Short German cruise 'tests the water' amid pandemic

A German cruise ship is gingerly testing the water amid the coronavirus pandemic, setting sail for the firs...

www.9news.com.au

 

[drron]

Well you certainly can't discourage some americans from cruising.here is a woman who got covid on a cruise but she still wants to get back on a cruise ship.

Cruise fans explain why they can't wait to cruise again

Christine Beehler was on a two-week cruise voyage around South America when Covid-19 caught up with her ship.

edition.cnn.com

And I wonder how RCI's idea of an E-muster will go.

Royal Caribbean just figured out how to improve the worst part of cruising - The Points Guy

The parent company of Royal Caribbean, Celebrity Cruises, Silversea and Azamara said it had developed new technology, which it is calling eMuster.

thepointsguy.com