US Dividend Miles vs. Avianca LifeMiles

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Peter78

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Hi all,

I have read through the threads on both US Airways' Dividend Miles and Avianca's LifeMiles program and I have also opened accounts for both programs. This means that I am now eligible to purchase points at the current discounted/ promo rates and I am still trying to make up my mind which way to lean. Those miles would be purchased for two reward flights to be used for a trip to Europe in April 2013 and two for a trip to Canada in July 2013, with availability currently showing in LifeMiles. J and F show up at different dates but I guess I should be moving quite quickly, also looking at the currently very favourable exchange rate. Comparing the two programs, it seems that there are a few contrasts but also some similarities and I have tried to summarize it like this, and any feedback would be greatly appreciated:

Similarities:
  • Both use Star Alliance partners.
  • SQ premium classes (A380 etc.) not accessible through both.
  • No YQ surcharge added, thus generally low taxes and charges (subject to confirmation for Dividend Miles).

Differences:
  • Dividend Miles more suitable for detours/ indirect routings, whereas LM better for direct itineraries. The same applies to stopovers.
  • No one-ways allowed for DM, but LM allows one-ways at 50% of the mileage required for return flights.
  • Bookings for DM need to be made by phone, whereas LM (hopefully) incorporates an online booking only and no need to speak Spanish when having to contact a call centre.
  • LM allows for a mix of cash and points to be used, with 40% the minimum amount of points needed for a booking.
  • Tax on miles purchased payable for Dividend Miles, not so for LM (subject to confirmation for DM but a dummy booking showed tax payable, bringing the price for 100K DM points to US$1,881).

There might be more criteria that I have missed and please feel free to add those, for example I remember reading somewhere about F inventory on LX or LH only being released at a certain time before the flight. I have done a few calculations on reward bookings using LM dummy bookings, with the following being in US$, return for one passenger, ex Sydney:

  • Vancouver: Y - $1,301 (AC). J - $2,073 (UA)
  • Frankfurt: J - $2,542 (TG). F - $2,951 (TG).
  • Singapore: $1,449 (TG).

The figures above include the cost for purchasing points (at the discounted rate) as well as taxes and their processing fee of $25 ea., and the mix of miles and cash worked out best.

Of course the usage for points when flying from, for example, Perth to New York would be even better as the same amount of points is required but those were results for roughly the dates and routes we need, with Singapore just shown as an option for a more or less random date. We would like to lock in flights soon and the question really is whether we should do so purchasing points on DM or LM - or possibly even both?!? My wife has an active DM account so she can buy points there at the promo rate... We are not planning a trip to the US going through Europe, which some of you have been lucky enough to do, just straight-forward trips getting there and back.

Any feedback and advice that you can provide is very welcome and I hope that you can steer me in the right direction. Thank you for your help and apologies for not knowing all the abbreviations and the long post! :D

Cheers
Peter
 
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  • No YQ surcharge added, thus generally low taxes and charges (subject to confirmation for Dividend Miles).

The taxes I have paid on US DM redemption bookings would suggest no YQ surcharge being levied.
 
I have read through the threads on both US Airways' Dividend Miles and Avianca's LifeMiles program and I have also opened accounts for both programs. This means that I am now eligible to purchase points at the current discounted/ promo rates and I am still trying to make up my mind which way to lean.

Just be wary that you're not eligible to buy LifeMiles at the 100% promo rate if you only just opened the account - the account needed to be open prior to 3 September. Otherwise if you'll have to pay full price.

Even if you want a straight forward A-B direct-type itinerary, USDM can still be fine - the same availability you see for LifeMiles should also be available for USDM.
 
I think you have covered it very nicely, I guess my feedback would be that it's not really as straightforward as one being better than the other, I personally think you need to price out both with specific bookings you want. With LM you can do this without actually having points and DM you should be able to estimate closely.

For the two destinations you have included I think the cost are likely to be fairly close so it ultimately may come down to which you feel more comfortable with.
 
I could check manually later, but does smit0847's table still current?

I'm thinking the Avianca calculations - were they done assuming cash+miles, or just all miles (at the sale price of 1.5c per mile)?

If they were calculated with cash+miles, at what ratio were they calculated, and were they using the old system where all "cash component miles" were purchased at 1.275c per mile?
 
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Does anyone know whether, using Avianca LM, (I know with USDM you already can) you can redeem award flights for other people other than the account holder ?
e.g., If I want to use my miles to redeem a flight for my brother/cousin/friend/etc would that be possible ?

Thanks
 
Does anyone know whether, using Avianca LM, (I know with USDM you already can) you can redeem award flights for other people other than the account holder ?
e.g., If I want to use my miles to redeem a flight for my brother/cousin/friend/etc would that be possible ?

Thanks

I gather you're really keen to get some kind of flight redemptions using either USDM, AAdvantage or Avianca LM, and I would strongly suggest that you read through all of the posts in each relevant threads before jumping in the pool. All of the answers to your questions are contained within.

You really need to be aware and educate yourself as to the rules and regulations of each program. You will find many people here are happy to assist you, once you have done the ground work.
 
I gather you're really keen to get some kind of flight redemptions using either USDM, AAdvantage or Avianca LM, and I would strongly suggest that you read through all of the posts in each relevant threads before jumping in the pool. All of the answers to your questions are contained within.

You really need to be aware and educate yourself as to the rules and regulations of each program. You will find many people here are happy to assist you, once you have done the ground work.

Yeh but its 400+ pages lol....
Cheers
 
Does anyone know whether, using Avianca LM, (I know with USDM you already can) you can redeem award flights for other people other than the account holder ?
e.g., If I want to use my miles to redeem a flight for my brother/cousin/friend/etc would that be possible ?

Thanks

Yes you can
 
I could check manually later, but does smit0847's table still current?

I'm thinking the Avianca calculations - were they done assuming cash+miles, or just all miles (at the sale price of 1.5c per mile)?

If they were calculated with cash+miles, at what ratio were they calculated, and were they using the old system where all "cash component miles" were purchased at 1.275c per mile?

Not sure about LM, but I've made my own spreadsheet for USDM and smit0847's table seems to be current...
 
Don't know if this is a new change, but LifeMiles is limited to 150k purchase (inclusive of bonus points) per calendar year, which puts it beneath the threshold required for a Aust-Europe award, for example.
 
Don't know if this is a new change, but LifeMiles is limited to 150k purchase (inclusive of bonus points) per calendar year, which puts it beneath the threshold required for a Aust-Europe award, for example.

Thats just a promo limi I suspect and don't forget you can do points plus pay....
 
Thats just a promo limit

I thought it was a 150k calendar year limit ?

Happy to be wrong though....

If you buy 75+75k now and there is a promo in say Oct ;) can you buy another 75+75k ?
 
Thats just a promo limi I suspect and don't forget you can do points plus pay....

You're right about points + pay, but it does quite clearly state 150,000 per calendar year, so what do you mean by "promo limit"? They're not really worth buying without the promo anyway....
 
I thought it was a 150k calendar year limit ?

Happy to be wrong though....

If you buy 75+75k now and there is a promo in say Oct ;) can you buy another 75+75k ?

Don't think so - if you go on LM and try to buy, you can't put in anything more than 75k now anyway.
 
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