United exchange rate

yoyo

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I'm trying to book a ticket MEL-YVR via SFO on United. Fare classes were P and Z in business. At the top of the page you can change the currency. If I chose USD the fare comes to $6141 and in AUD it was $11,171 which corresponds to an exchange rate of about 55 cents which is crazy. I know they give PQP based on dollars spent but if I buy the ticket in USD, I will be 39PQP short of the 10,000 I need for gold status. Buying the ticket in aud will give me 38,740 miles vs 29,875 for the USD ticket. Any ideas or suggestions as to how to get around this or if there is an easy way for me to earn 39 PQP without flying?
 
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if I buy the ticket in USD, I will be 39PQP short of the 10,000 I need for gold status

AUD the fare comes to $6141 and in AUD it was $11,171


You mean that the USD fare is $6141 and the AUD is $11171 ?
And based on that the exchange rate UA is giving you is 55 cents
If you paid in USD, your CC will convert it to AUD at the CC exchange rate which is likely better than UA's offer.

What is more important? miles or PQP?
Sounds like you want both. However I think look at it this way

Pay in USD: extra PQP but less 8865 points. BUT also potentially $$$ in your pocket.
If your CC gives you 60c. You save $936
If your CC gives you 65c you save $1723
Is this worth 8865 points?

Pay in AUD: No extra PQP. 8865 more points but less $$$ in your pocket

For me PQP would be important if you are close to improving your status. And if my CC gives me a better deal than UA currency conversion I save $$$ which is better than miles. Even if you were to get PQP some other way IMO I would rather have $$$ than miles in my pocket.
 
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Exactly my point, I really want those PQP to get to gold. But I just had an idea, I am flying ADL-MEL next month with VA. If I credit that flight to United, does anyone know how many PQP I will get? If it will give me more than 39, it could be enough.
 
One thing I must warn you about USD payments on United at least when I used to book directly with them is that unless you provide a US address, your currency will automatically switch back to your "home" currency (i.e. AUD) after you enter the billing details. To get around this issue, I would normally book with Expedia USA which has no such qualms. The latter, by the way also forces a US point of sale which sometimes can be cheaper than an overseas point of sale.

In terms of being short a couple PQPs to earn United status, there are a couple workarounds that come to mind. First, you could try booking a cheap fare in the US with United to do a status run. Alternatively when you are back in AU, take an Air New Zealand flight across the ditch, which likely will earn you the PQPs you need to earn status. Then of course there is the new HSBC credit card which provides United Premier Gold status after spending $4,000 in the first year which requires you not setting foot on a United plane!

-RooFlyer88
 
I was thinking about booking with Expedia but there seems to be a bit of variation on the number of PQP. If I book with them, how can I check the PQP? I called the Australian phone number to see if it came to the same price. She quoted the same prices in both USD and AUD as the website but the PQP was different.
 
I was thinking about booking with Expedia but there seems to be a bit of variation on the number of PQP. If I book with them, how can I check the PQP? I called the Australian phone number to see if it came to the same price. She quoted the same prices in both USD and AUD as the website but the PQP was different.
Per the United website:

Premier qualifying points (PQP)​

Based on the base fare and carrier-imposed surcharge of flight purchases, along with seating purchases and paid upgrades
The PQP accrual may be different since UA would first have to convert AUD back to USD to compute the PQP earnings and depending on the exchange rate in use could result in more or fewer PQPs. If booking via Expedia, you'll want to look at a breakdown of the fare to get an idea of roughly how much PQP will be earned:
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Using an example I found from Expedia USA, you can see that conservatively 8209 PQP will be earned (since 1 PQP=$1 USD for United flights). Taxes and fees likely wouldn't attract PQP since they would consist of things like airport improvement fees (Canada), Australian international departure tax, etc.

Whether it makes sense to book with Expedia really depends on what you are seeing for pricing on each website. If Expedia isn't offering much of a discount, book direct with the airline since you'll get more flexibility in the event of an IRROPs. On the other hand, if the discounts are great enough (i.e. 10% or more) then it can make sense to book with Expedia USA.

Speaking of things to watch out for, you should keep an eye peeled on who is operating each and every one of those flights. Remember you need to fly United or United Express operated flights 4 times to earn any sort of status with United. So if a segment is operated by Air Canada, even if it has a United flight number, it won't count!

-RooFlyer88
 
I need 6014 PQP to reach gold. According to the United website, if I buy the flight in AUD, I will get 7748 PQP but if I buy it in USD, I get 6004 PQP. I know it is meant to be the same as it is based on USD so it seems they are using a crazy rate to calculate the purchase price and a more accurate rate for the PQP. Thanks for all the info, I did check that it was all United flights.
 
I need 6014 PQP to reach gold. According to the United website, if I buy the flight in AUD, I will get 7748 PQP but if I buy it in USD, I get 6004 PQP. I know it is meant to be the same as it is based on USD so it seems they are using a crazy rate to calculate the purchase price and a more accurate rate for the PQP. Thanks for all the info, I did check that it was all United flights.
Hopefully not a dumb question but thought I'd ask: do you hold frequent flyer status with other airlines like Qantas? The reason I ask is United does offer a status match promotion with the requirements to earn Premier Gold being much lower:
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If you take United up on that offer, you'll want to have your flights after July 1, 2023 or later and complete the request for the status match on or after July 1, 2023. That way you'll have Premier Gold status through the end of January 2025 (instead of just through the end of January 2024).

The other thing I forgot to mention is United has two sets of requirements: one if you are taking a lot of flights on United and Star Alliance partners with a lower PQP and one with no requirement on the number of flights taken (aside from the 4 segments on United metal) but with a higher PQP. For Gold that means either taking 24 flights with United and Star Alliance partners and earning 8,000 PQPs or earning 10,000 PQPs outright.

Hope that helps!

-RooFlyer88
 
Thanks Rooflyer, no status elsewhere and it will just be the 4 flights on United and the 10,000 PQP, it seems crazy to miss out over 10 PQP. I don't fly that much so I'd love to have the status.
 
Thanks Rooflyer, no status elsewhere and it will just be the 4 flights on United and the 10,000 PQP, it seems crazy to miss out over 10 PQP. I don't fly that much so I'd love to have the status.
If you don't fly much you won't miss the status, especially if the few times you do travel you are in business class (and therefore have the same benefits as someone travelling with status)! You need to use status be it with hotels or airlines for the status to have any sort of value. Indeed, travel bloggers regularly provide cost/benefit analysis on various airline frequent flyer programs to tell you what value you can expect having attained status (here's the analysis for United for instance). Indeed, I chase status precisely because I travel so much that I can extract value out of whatever status I attain!

Another thing to think about is where you are crediting those flights to. Yes, you certainly can credit it to United and potentially earn status that way, but you may get better bang for your buck crediting the flights elsewhere. For instance, crediting those flights to Virgin Australia, you would stand to earn 440 status credits (160 status credits for MEL to SFO, 60 status credits for SFO to YVR each way). It only takes 500 status credits with Virgin Australia to earn Gold status which comes with benefits not only on Virgin Australia but also partners like United, Air Canada, Singapore Air, etc. Yes, United's Premier Gold is more valuable than Virgin Gold in the sense that you have access to benefits across the whole of Star Alliance as opposed to the dozen or so airlines Virgin has reciprocal agreements with. However, it will be much easier to attain Virgin Australia from home, especially given the fact that Virgin is now running a double status credit promotion on Virgin operated flights booked now for travel through March 31, 2023.

You may also want to look around at other airlines to see where the deals are on business class fares as sometimes you can earn status just by flying the right airline. For instance, flying Qantas to Vancouver from Melbourne (connecting in Sydney) would attract 440 status credits in total (and you need 700 status credits to earn Qantas Gold). At the same time, if you fly Delta Airlines or one of its partners like Virgin Atlantic, you could easily rack up enough MQMs to earn Delta elite status.

The last thing to consider is who is paying for this flight? If it is your employer, then yes you generally have a bit of latitude and can choose whatever airline or routing attracts the most points towards frequent flyer status. However, if you are travelling on your own, there are alternatives to cash fares that will let you travel in business for considerably less. Case in point, most frequent flyer programs let you buy points from them, and often these programs have sales on buying points. When those sales kick off, it is quite common to buy frequent flyer points using them to book business class award tickets for a fraction of what you would have paid as a cash fare. Case in point, last year I booked a quassi round the world ticket with Air Canada's Aeroplan in business class for ~$3,000 CAD.

-RooFlyer88
 
Thanks for the info. Yes, my employer is paying for this trip but my main motivation for gold is to maximize the number of points I obtain if I do fly on a paid business class ticket. Lots of food for thought in what you said because I chose United previously because I could book award flights fairly easily but now with dynamic pricing, it is not so simple. But certainly, as you said, if I cannot get gold on United with this trip, I should credit to Virgin and at least be gold there. Thanks for all the advice, it's very helpful.
 
Thanks for the info. Yes, my employer is paying for this trip but my main motivation for gold is to maximize the number of points I obtain if I do fly on a paid business class ticket.
The key thing to keep in mind for programs that award bonus points for holding status is those bonuses kick on based on the status you had when you took the flight. So for instance, if you hold no status now and take those flights to Vancouver you will only earn miles at the standard 5x fare (i.e. PQP) rate whereas with Gold you would earn at the 8x rate. That being said, airlines that award mileage based on distance flown (with class of service bonuses) can be more lucrative. For instance, flying discount business class with Delta or Air Canada (and crediting to them respectively) you will earn mileage at a rate of 150% of miles flown. Flying Qantas with the routing MEL > SYD > YVR you would standard to earn 1400*2+13500*2 = 29,800 QF points as a Bronze (i.e. no status) member or 44,200 as a QF Gold member taking the same flights. Using the routing you proposed earlier, you would earn 26,000 award miles return on the trip versus 30,000 points on United with no status or 48,000 as a Premier Gold. In this case, United's system offers slightly more value but that's precisely due to the fare being so expensive. If you were to look at coach fares, particularly for long haul destinations a mileage based award accrual chart could be more favourable. To give you an example, consider the following ticket I booked with United in November 2019 for ~$900 USD : LHR to SYD (via LAX). The Base fare was ~$600 USD so as a Premier Gold I would earn 4,800 miles. If, however, the award mileage was computed based on distance flown under a mileage flown system, even at a discounted rate of 50% of miles flown, I would earn 12,944 miles.

With all of that said, if you think you'll be earning most of your airline frequent flyer points from flying you are fooling yourself! Most of the miles I have earned haven't been from taking flights (and I've done a lot of that). It's actually been from either buying miles, earning miles through shopping partners like Woolies or Qantas eStore or or earning miles through airline and/or travel credit cards. Awards require a ton of points, especially if flying long haul in business class!

So my recommendation would be to look at the airlines you have flown, particularly when in economy and on your own dime, and try to get status towards either that airline or the alliance the airline is part of (i.e. Star Alliance for United). If you find yourself flying a lot domestically, holding status with Qantas or Virgin Australia will end up being far more valuable than holding mid-tier status with United whose benefits you will only use once in a blue moon. Case in point, I have held United Premier Gold status since 2017 but stopped flying them when I moved to Australia in 2020 owing in part due to the COVID pandemic, but also the fact that I'm just not making enough revenue flights across the Pacific on United metal. Thus far United has continued extending my Premier Gold status, but when that statuses lapses I'll be fine with it. For me now, building up Qantas status is going to be more valuable since it means having access to Qantas (or better yet Emirates) lounges whenever I fly with them, access to better seating, additional points earning, access to additional award seats, additional baggage allowance, etc. In the future, I might wind up living in the Americas or Europe and in that case I'll re-evaluate. Maybe United will make more sense then given the abundance of Star Alliance carriers on both continents but we'll see!

Lots of food for thought in what you said because I chose United previously because I could book award flights fairly easily but now with dynamic pricing, it is not so simple. But certainly, as you said, if I cannot get gold on United with this trip, I should credit to Virgin and at least be gold there. Thanks for all the advice, it's very helpful.
Dynamic award pricing is something every airline's frequent flyer program is moving towards be it Air Canada, United, Delta or others. What is key, though, is having the miles and figuring out how to win in a system where the cards are stacked against you. In my case having bought/accumulated a number of points with Air Canada that meant booking awards with partners like Etihad and Asiana instead of on Air Canada flights since partner flights still used a fixed price. For Delta, that means originating your trip outside Canada/USA and ending your trip outside Canada/USA (i.e. Sydney to Mexico City costing 95,000 points on Delta One business class versus 455,000 points for Sydney to Los Angeles on the same dates despite having to take the exact same Delta flight for the Sydney to LA segment).

Here's a piece of advice that I know will spark controversy on the forum, but something I practice myself: accumulate frequent flyer miles across a number of programs. The reason I say this is where you'll find award availability will vary depending on the route and when you are travelling. Sometimes Qantas can provide the best value when redeeming points, particularly if they hold additional award inventory on some of their domestic routes. Other times, British Airways' Avios and their award chart can offer the exact same award as Qantas but at a much lower cost. Then again, the issue with Qantas and BA are long haul flights, particularly when they tack on a fuel surcharge and when them or their partners don't offer much award availability (just ask those on AFF trying to book award tickets to Europe now). That's where Air Canada's Aeroplan or United's Mileageplus can really add value since they have a much larger route network and don't charge carrier surcharges. Now yes it's true, it's unwise to hold huge points balances across a number of programs (since airlines can and have reduced the redemption value of their points over time), but having some points in each account for a rainy day can be useful, especially for last minute or emergency bookings.

-RooFlyer88
 
Lots of food for thought in what you said. As you noted, I am able to generate lots of Qantas and Virgin points with credit card sign ups but have credited miles to US programs like United and Alaska as they are harder to accumulate points with and always had cheap redemptions with low surcharges.

I agree with you and collect points across several plans and often book one ways with separate airlines depending on availability. I don't fly that much domestically and when I do, I am not too fussed about being in economy without all the perks. Whichever airline I credit to, I'll need to fly those 4 flights to get to gold which is not a given for me and why getting it with one trip on United is attractive.

Just to let you know, I booked the United flight, in USD using their 14 day hold so I can buy time and keep assessing my options. Funnily enough, what I really need is for the price to increase by $10USD so that I can get the PQP I need.

I'm very interested in what you said about Delta as I have never redeemed flights with them. How hard was it for you to find availability in business for SYD-MEX?
 
@yoyo, maybe a stupid question but if you’ve checked USD and AUD costs, have you checked others? If you, or your employer, is fine paying in USD rather than AUD, why not EUR, CAD, SGD? I don’t understand why the difference in pqp between AUD and USD as I don’t use MileagePlus, but if it is indeed there, can you use other currencies that might given yet another pqp figure that may be more to your satisfaction?
 
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