Ticketing time limit not being honoured by QF

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MarcB

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About 3 weeks ago, I booked a multi-city ticket from CHC to PVR (Mexico). Because it was quite complicated, with stopovers and transfers etc, I had to do it over the phone with Qantas (my preferred TA was away). I paid the $60pp booking fee. The consultants I have dealt with up until this morning were all really helpful. The fare I booked was a flexi (H class) fare that provides as follows regarding ticketing:

WHEN RESERVATIONS ARE MADE AT LEAST 30 DAYS BEFORE
DEPARTURE, TICKETING MUST BE COMPLETED WITHIN 30 DAYS
AFTER RESERVATIONS ARE MADE OR AT LEAST 13 DAYS BEFORE
DEPARTURE WHICHEVER IS EARLIER.

This was communicated to me at booking, although there was made mention of the fact that because there were some AA sectors in there (2 out of 8 flights), it may be necessary to rebook those sectors during that time as they might cancel out. This did in fact happen with the AA sectors cancelling out three times (pretty much every 4-5 days). The first time I rang these were rebooked without issue and I was told to just keep an eye on it and keep calling back if it happened again, reinforcing that I had until 21 September to pay. The second time it cancelled out the sectors, they were automatically rebooked without me calling (someone must get alerts at QF) within 24 hours. On this last occasion, I noticed that it took almost 3 days for the flights to be rebooked by QF, with the sectors reappearing yesterday.

This morning, I received a call from Qantas Premium explaining that they had rebooked the flights, but telling me that AA was insisting on payment for the flights today. Further, I was told if I did not pay today, AA would cancel the whole reservation. I explained to the consultant that I did not think it was correct that AA could cancel my entire reservation given it was made with Qantas, and also made the point that the fare rules specified 30 days so I did not see why I was being made to pay earlier. The consultant then became quite forceful (not aggressive), pretty much telling me she understood that, but there was nothing that could be done. Moreover, if I didn't pay, my entire booking would be cancelled and I would have to rebook the whole itinerary from available inventory AND I would lose my non-refundable booking fee. I interpreted this as me having to pay it again for any rebooked flights. I asked if I could make payment tomorrow (my credit card rolls over then so an extra 6 weeks free money) and this was met with an absolutely not, no way, never going to happen response.

Really, it was the "not my/QF problem" attitude that got me a fired up, and I really think there could have been a lot more acknowledgement from the consultant that being asked to pay a week earlier than the fare rules require is something I was entitled to be a bit peeved about - especially seeing as I was prepared to pay tomorrow.

In the end, I said I would call back after I had thought about it, because I could feel my crankiness factor rising - it was at this point the consultant again impressed upon me that I needed to understand if no payment was received by midnight, my whole booking would be cancelled.

Overall, I understand this is not a big deal, but I feel it was a really bad QF experience.

Has anyone else ever had these sort of issues with AA/on QF sectors on flexi tickets?
 
To me that doesn't add up. How can AA cancel "the whole reservation" when the reservation was made through QF? All they could do is cancel their sectors which is what has been happening anyway.

Seems more likely QF are getting fed up with having to continually rebook the AA sectors.
 
Agreed. I think what happened, it QF took so long to rebook it this time, that AA only had Y availability and not H on the flight. So I suspect they had to request AA release H again - because they knew they had to fix my booking - and then AA have probably said, that they will not do that again.
 
An airline partner is entitled to cancel any reservation if they haven't received payment. In this case it might be that the AA sectors were about to change price or otherwise become unavailable. If AA cancels their segments, your booking as a whole fails, it has gaps now. So it's probably a case of a consequential cancellation.

Fares are never guaranteed. Although they should give you a courtesy call... even if you have a ticketing deadline some time in the future the airline can increase their fare and you'll likely be up for the difference.
 
An airline partner is entitled to cancel any reservation if they haven't received payment. In this case it might be that the AA sectors were about to change price or otherwise become unavailable. If AA cancels their segments, your booking as a whole fails, it has gaps now. So it's probably a case of a consequential cancellation.

Fares are never guaranteed. Although they should give you a courtesy call... even if you have a ticketing deadline some time in the future the airline can increase their fare and you'll likely be up for the difference.

Qantas' relationship and commercial arrangements with its partners are not my concern. If QF can't offer a 30 day TTL because there's a flight booked with another carrier, don't put 30 day TTLs into the fare rules. Why offer something you can't deliver?

The issue of cost is not relevant, I booked a fully flexible fare and, other than exchange rate changes, they are rarely short-life or subject to changes like sales.
 
The 30 day limit would be for qantas flight numbers. Once you start adding other airlines you have to respect their ticketing limits which would be automatically generated in the pnr
 
The 30 day limit would be for qantas flight numbers. Once you start adding other airlines you have to respect their ticketing limits which would be automatically generated in the pnr

Perhaps it is the lawyer in me, but if the fare rules are the contract, which I note I have to comply with regarding fees for changes etc, then if the TTL is 30 days, and they don't specify "only for QF" flights, then QF should also have to comply with these. If they can not offer a 30 day TTL with other airline flights, then simply put that in the rules. My point is, that is not in the rules.
 
Perhaps it is the lawyer in me, but if the fare rules are the contract, which I note I have to comply with regarding fees for changes etc, then if the TTL is 30 days, and they don't specify "only for QF" flights, then QF should also have to comply with these. If they can not offer a 30 day TTL with other airline flights, then simply put that in the rules. My point is, that is not in the rules.

Where's your consideration for the contract? you haven't entered in to the contract yet.
 
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Thought I would just put the quotes in, but they don't count as 10 characters.

I was thinking the $60 was the fee for service. if you didn't get the service you thought you were getting (agent made an error by guaranteeing payment in 30 days which was then changed) you could apply to get your $60 back if you decide to cancel your booking.

im not sure the assistance fee = entry into contract?
 
The contract does not fail for consideration unless I choose not to pay. If we enter into a contract by which I agree to sell you a widget, but you don't need to pay me until I deliver them, if I fail to deliver them, would you not still consider that I had breached the terms of our deal? Would you not sue me if you had entered into other contracts with your customers on the basis of our deal for the widget and I failed to deliver and you suffered loss? Consideration does not have to flow at formation - especially where parties agree that it will be paid at some later time. Qantas has made an offer, the terms of which include 30 day payment terms - and I have accepted that offer. There is no term of the contract that allows unilateral cancellation by Qantas just because I have not paid - that right does not arise until the 30 days has passed.
 
There'll be another condition somewhere saying fares not guaranteed until ticketed. I think you need to just move on.
 
There'll be another condition somewhere saying fares not guaranteed until ticketed. I think you need to just move on.

Nope. No such condition.

I thought the point of this forum is to share our experiences and engage in a constructive discussion about aspects of our experiences? That's all I was doing. We clearly disagree on the substance of this issue - let's leave it at that.
 
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Nope. No such condition.

I thought the point of this forum (I thought) is to share our experiences and engage in a constructive discussion about aspects of our experiences? That's all I was doing. We clearly disagree on the substance of this issue - let's leave it at that.

We are only replying with our experiences.

You will find: "Prices are not guaranteed until payment is made. " on any fare on Qantas.
 
We are only replying with our experiences.

You will find: "Prices are not guaranteed until payment is made. " on any fare on Qantas.

You won't find "booking may be cancelled at any time until payment is made, irrespective of the fare conditions" though.
 
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