Should I feel aggrieved by this (Qantas)

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Foibles

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Hi there,

If anyone can suggest whether I should accept a simple apology from Qantas for this.....or be seeking compensation, please share your thoughts;

1) I recently purchased a flight on Qantas for my sister, and in return she gave me a $200 Qantas voucher in her name she did not want
2) The Qantas Terms for such vouchers allow name transfer (i.e name in which voucher was registered, can be changed for new passenger name)
3) I tried to book a flight to book return flights for two people from Brisbane to Newcastle using the 'normal' Qantas web page, but unfortunately they do not allow a voucher to be redeemed at this point (FIRST FAIL: Poor customer experience. As a customer, I want to pay for my entire travel partly using a voucher, and partly using another method)
4) I then go to the specific voucher redemption page. I notice that my sister's details are recorded on the database (as they should be) along with the contact details of her friend who bought the voucher for her. I try (again) to book return flights for two people from Brisbane to Newcastle, only to find that the website only allows the voucher to be redeemed for a single person! (SECOND FAIL: Poor customer experience. As a customer, I want to book both myself and my companion on the one flight at the one time....too bad if we want to do seat booking at once at this time, or worse - the other seat sells out!)

(At this juncture I already have to laugh about major organisations like Qantas who present at major seminars touting their 'Voice of the Customer' approach, or in understanding 'Critical to Quality' factors, or that they now have a CXO (Customer Experience Officer). Well.....which idiot thought out the use cases (business processes) for booking tickets using a voucher? Sack them...and save the wasted CAPEX.

5) I then go into the booking in order to see how one manages seat allocation from a voucher booking...to find that the ticket has been issued in the name of my sister, not my partner!!!! (I can assure you that I updated all necessary fields, including passenger and contact details). (THIRD FAIL: IT systems design and testing has failed to notice that the original voucher recipient's details persist in the booking details, even when the User Interface is trying to pass new details into the database. I'm not an expert in database management systems, but clearly changing customer details (voucher recipient to passenger) fails to update the database!)

By the way - my sister lives 2000 klms away - the notion of flying from Brisbane to Newcastle on that date held little appeal.....:eek:



OK - so now I get to 'contact Qantas and go through the painful process of explaining BOTH their poor IT design and their defective technical (systems) function, and asking them to resolve their own errors, so that I am not out of pocket.


a) Call 131313 and leave number as I am told to wait for 90 minutes. I leave my call back number (actually, my partner did this)
b) In the interim, I speak with a fellow by the name David, who promises to chase up and resolve the situation for me. An hour or so later, David calls back, and tells me that reservations have everything sorted, and he will transfer me through immediately. Only problem is.....there was no resolution.....and he just cold transfers me into a general queue...where I wait for 45 minutes.....
c) In the interim, I get that call back from Qantas (the 90 minute wait one), and start explaining the situation, only for the girl on the phone to say 'oh, we can resolve that'......and then hang up on me! No call back either.....this was a deliberate, malicious attempt to simply absolve herself (and thereby Qantas) of any need to act.
d) Eventually, the cold transfer (line 2 - lol) is answered, by a woman in the Brisbane office. By now, 3 hours after trying to book, I am exasperated. Which is why I sought her contact details. Perhaps misunderstanding procedures on working with difficult (exasperated) customers, Ellen suggested that I not be so sarcastic and unfriendly. To which I explained that sarcasm was neither a breach of the Telecommunications Act, nor part of Qantas policy for terminating a call (a guess...but a reasonable one). So she would have to endure my frustration. She eventually tells me she needs to call my sister and get her permission to change the ticket details. Concerned, I then said 'wait, you do not even have my contact details' - to which she said 'Yes, your number is 0447 xx_'...etc. I advised her that this was not my contact number, but possibly the number originally recorded in the database for the $200 voucher (i.e my sisters friend), further substantiating my point that Qantas systems are failing to process updates


....long and short of this is;


After 3 hours, as the unwitting victim of 2 instances of poor system design and 1 of defective systems function (3 of poor customer experience), then being made to wait, hung up, and generally given a very lax attitude to resolving my concerns - I am pretty irate.

Do you think that merely updating the booking details is sufficient apology for the failures to design, function and customer service, as well as the fact that I am helping to identify and address their own issues?

Cheers,

Foibles
 
Get a life.

Really!! compensation.

Oh how precious we all are. I love the comment about the operator deliberately hanging up on you.
 
Hello Foiblesand welcome to the Forum.

To me, what you were doing doesn't make sense. And I did read your post twice.

In Step 1,

I recently purchased a flight on Qantas for my sister, and in return she gave me a $200 Qantas voucher in her name she did not want

do you think it would have made sense to use the voucher (in your sister's name) for a flight you were booking in your sister's name? might have been an easy solution to a problem which hadn't yet been created....or is there something you left out of your narrative?

An apology from Qantas sounds pretty good.

Once again, welcome. Please let us know how the flight goes.

Alby
 
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Hello Foiblesand welcome to the Forum.

To me, what you were doing doesn't make sense. And I did read your post twice.

In Step 1,



do you think it would have made sense to use the voucher (in your sister's name) for a flight you were booking in your sister's name? might have been an easy solution to a problem which hadn't yet been created....or is there something you left out of your narrative?

An apology from Qantas sounds pretty good.

Once again, welcome. Please let us know how the flight goes.

Alby

My guess is that his sister couldn't use the voucher because the flight she wanted to book does not depart from Australia (as per condition of voucher). I can only guess from the OP mentioning that his sister lives "2000 km away".
 
Awful treatment .... I have had similar experiences ..... Try get an apology .... They have wasted your time. Some compensation should be considered I hope red roo is reading this!
 
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While vouchers allow for name changes, you can not change the number of passengers on the booking. If the voucher is for one person, you can only make a booking for one person. This has always been the case.
 
The poor Qantas staff are only doing their job, and the OP's conduct did not give any reason why they should be sympathetic to the problem (much of it due to a failure to understand the T & C of vouchers).

Given the time and effort it would have taken to type the post, the 3 hours to make the booking does not seem to be too much of an issue.
 
Welcome to AFF Foibles.

The situation you faced is indeed unfortunate, but in reading your post, I'm getting the impression that as you were getting more and more frustrated, your approach to the Qantas customer service team was getting less and less cordial. Unfortunately, this can result in not obtaining the desired outcome as easily as hoped.

There appears to be definite concerns with the way the system handled this booking, and I think it's great that you've identified them. There's always room for improvement, and I'm sure that Qantas would appreciate the feedback so that they can either address the concerns or advise why the system is designed that way.

I'm assuming that everything was sorted in the end and that, although it took way longer than it should have, you're not still chasing the correct tickets. If this is the case, then I think I'd just chalk it up to experience. As mentioned above, perhaps advising Qantas of what occurred in relation to the actual booking process might help others who may also come across this situation.

Best wishes for the festive season and enjoy the trip to Newcastle.

Cheers, Suz :)
 
Awful treatment .... I have had similar experiences ..... Try get an apology .... They have wasted your time. Some compensation should be considered I hope red roo is reading this!

Seriously ????? :eek:
I hope Red Roo enjoys the holidays and doesn't consider any of this to require any form of compensation.
 
Welcome to AFF Foibles.

The situation you faced is indeed unfortunate, but in reading your post, I'm getting the impression that as you were getting more and more frustrated, your approach to the Qantas customer service team was getting less and less cordial. Unfortunately, this can result in not obtaining the desired outcome as easily as hoped.

There appears to be definite concerns with the way the system handled this booking, and I think it's great that you've identified them. There's always room for improvement, and I'm sure that Qantas would appreciate the feedback so that they can either address the concerns or advise why the system is designed that way.

I'm assuming that everything was sorted in the end and that, although it took way longer than it should have, you're not still chasing the correct tickets. If this is the case, then I think I'd just chalk it up to experience. As mentioned above, perhaps advising Qantas of what occurred in relation to the actual booking process might help others who may also come across this situation.

Best wishes for the festive season and enjoy the trip to Newcastle.

Cheers, Suz :)

Nice post Suz and accurately sums up my feelings too :)
 
Actually to be fair Foibles doesn't have much luck booking with Qantas. From his first of three posts on the forum. I feel a little baited.

Hi all,

as you'll see I'm a new member. I apologise as it is somewhat less than diplomatic to join when your first motive is 'to ask something of someone'. Hopefully my request is not that onerous however!

given the title of the thread, am interested to know if my situation warrants a complaint to qantas...or not?

Ill try to stick to facts......

1. I booked a jEtstar flight using the qantas website
2. booking made yesterday afternoon...for a flight last night
3. I presented at the airport well before time....that's not the issue
4. The girl at the Jetstar desk said that she had no details of me on the flight. She rather briskly brushed me off, and said I'd need to contact qantas directly.
5. As the airport in question was Hobart....there was nobody at the qantas desk, so I had to call their 13 number
6. After 10 minutes of holding, I eventually got through to an assistant, who confirmed that indeed my ticket was valid, my payment had been processed, and all was in order.
7. After explaining to the qantas representative that his assurances were not good enough to get me on the plane, I passed my phone to the rather abrupt jetstar check in girl, who looked at me blankly and passed the phone to her customer service TL. It was evident that the qantas rep was requesting that the Jetstar TL let me on the plane, but she refused steadfastly.
8. The Jetstar rep advised that there was nothing that I could do, and that I would need to argue my case with qantas. Meanwhile...qantas were suggesting I should try the "nudge nudge, wink wink, just let me on the plane" trick....
9. Jetstar TL says she is off to talk to her help desk....maybe the qantas rep suggested this I do not know...
(as an aside, this call will have been recorded....with the Jetstar and qantas reps disagreeing over my flight status....all whilst I was left standing there in disbelief.
10. I call my disabled mother in law, and ask her to turn her car around and come back and collect me. As my language was getting a bit colourful...and I believe understandably so.....Jetstar girl suggests I should move clear of the counter.
11. I move away and start calling qantas again.......in the meantime Jetstar TL has returned, and can see me standing by now 5 metres away, but acts as if my vacating her desk suggests perhaps I have disappeared somehow....
12. Another traveller at the airport tells me that the flight has not yet closed for boarding, and perhaps there is still time. Whilst waiting for qantas to answer again, I approach the jetstar desk and ask, rather curtly....."where are we at." to which the TL lies and says that as she could not see me, she thought I must have just got up and left the airport!! She then advises that i have missed the flight.
13. When finally I am reconnected with qantas, I get my way to an escalation point, who offers to put me on the next flight......scheduled to leave in another 4 hours....meaning id have been there about 6 hours, in an airport where no facilities such as coffee shop would remain open. id also get home in melbourne by about 2am.....which was not acceptable for me. sure, it would have settled the matter for qantas and jetstar......but i would have been unfairly inconvenienced with only begrudging apologies.
14. qantas rep then asks me, as if I'm pulling off a bank heist "exactly what do you want us to do sir." (Well, not taking my money but refusing me boarding would have been a start!).
15. I said that it seemed reasonable that she arrange for my fare to be refunded in full, and provide me with a free ticket to melbourne on the qantas flight the next day...which incidentally was 90 dollars cheaper than the Sunday night flight I had booked.
16. She refused for two reasons...a. The standard line about not having authority and 2. Because she said that she could not offer me a qantas flight for a jetstar passenger issue. Seemed quite curious....?
17. I ultimately had to concede to accept my flight be moved to 8.30 this morning which....After a 45 minute mid air holding pattern delay...meant I arrived at work half a day late. In my work, this costs me 600.


to summate;
* jetstar and qantas both concurred that it was not my error, but agreed that their systems had failed...in essence, the data that should be sent from qantas to jetstar failed to do so.
* aside from sheer time and stress, to others as well as myself, I was out of pocket for airport car parking, extra petrol, can fare back to the airport, and half a days income. Total circa 700.
* it would have seemed expeditious for qantas to accept my original request....they would merely have had to 'lose' a few hundred in revenue for seats that were ultimately not allocated anyway...
* all qantas have done is suggest that I email their customer care section.


views of others....would you be as irate as I was/am by this? It's not a weather event after all....it was one person from a whole plane whose transaction failed in qantas systems...and logic should have allowed me to continue my journey...but instead significant disruption to many has ensued. What compensation...if any...should I reasonably seek?
 
Interesting point albatross710. I too have never had this many issues in such a short space of time.

Would like to think that the posts are genuine, but I guess we may never know.
 
I do really think that Qantas rules are very restrictive © and they do shoot themselves in the foot over many funny and impractical rules that prevent them from earning money therefore being a more successful company. So Eeeeek back at you Princess :eek
 
I know I have said this before....never let a chance go by to bag QF

Hey eric2011 I do like to bag on about Qantas but only because of the consistent inconsistency
 
I do really think that Qantas rules are very restrictive © and they do shoot themselves in the foot over many funny and impractical rules that prevent them from earning money therefore being a more successful company. So Eeeeek back at you Princess :eek

The "eek" was for your call for compensation. That's hardly likely to make QF earn more money or be more successful
 
It's quite possible to have this much bad luck.

And this is not the first time we have heard issues between Qantas and Jetstar. They are 2 unrelated companies. Dump the partnership rubbish and less oeople will have issues. In fact it may solve more issues.
 
Prob not the best effort from either QF or our OP, both could have done things differently.
No customer agent should have to deal with abusive customers, but they shouldn't be surprised or precious when customers are frustrated, and have appropriate escalation procedures to deal with them.

Similarly, the customer should not be difficult (ie. sarcastic, etc), as this will not produce a good result no matter how right they actually are (I am making no judgement in this case). Indeed even if you aren't 100% entitled to something, having a good attitude/being friendly can still get a good result (but don't expect it and get cranky if things don't go your way).

I have noticed that some service agents will never admit when they are wrong, or lazily default to an easy (but wrong) answer or give up and pass the customer off. And yes, I have occasionally seen this at QF (and VA, and EY, and Citibank... you get the picture).

OP didn't know about vouchers, got irate at the website (which was correctly implementing confusing rules) and then didn't get much help on the phone. And now they probably feel better after a good rant here.
 
The "eek" was for your call for compensation. That's hardly likely to make QF earn more money or be more successful

We agree to disagree ..... It's not class action lawsuits with million figure payouts. It's more common sense stuff " sorry to have caused xx_xx and here is some points to compensate you for your time frustration or even a bottle of Krug that we give out our most precious WP1's".

This is likely to do the opposite © not lose money but endears the Qantas company. Make me fly more. That's better than grounding flights in October 2011. Or doing expensive advertisements flops. Princess I agree compensation is a big word prefer maybe consideration. : :
 
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