Qantas solution to overbooking – make it difficult to checkin?

TripleB

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I was recently flying SYD-BNE-MKY-ROK in QF reward business class with an overnight in MKY. The connection in BNE was 55 minutes (which is more than the MCT (which I think is 25 minutes) but still a little tight). The BNE-MKY flight was the last of the day - I really needed to be in ROK the next morning. The MKY detour was because the flights to ROK that afternoon were crazy prices and there were reward seats to MKY (and there is an airport hotel right at the terminal at MKY).

When OLCI opened the day before I just couldn’t get it to work – it just kept spitting out a generic error message. I tried on my phone through the app and on the website through my windows laptop. I tried at various times throughout the day and again early the morning of the flight. No luck. Same generic error message each time.

As it happens that same morning I was flying on a separate (reward economy ticket) ticket ROK-BNE-SYD. I figured that the computer just wasn’t coping with the different bookings (and slightly crazy routings).

When I checked in at ROK (desks only) for the 9am flight – I asked if they could also check me in for the evening flights. They initially said yes, but after much tapping on the computer and puzzled looks they said that I’d have to try in Sydney. I had a bit of a connection in BNE so asked again at the BNE lounge. I got a ‘sure’, then lots of tapping and puzzled looks and told I’d need to sort it in Sydney.

When I got to Sydney, I was just getting my family and their luggage in a car and staying at the airport for the return to central Queensland. There was about 4 hours between flights.

I tried the checkin machines – the best it could do was tell me to see staff. The staff assisted checkin area was a zoo – so I went to the business lounge (I had no checked baggage).

After much tapping away, I was told that the SYD-BNE was oversold in business. The best they could do was the flight 30 minutes later or economy on the flight I was booked on [I'm going to be charitable and say that this was an error and they didn't actually mean this]. I said that I wasn’t keen on a 25 minute connection in BNE (as it happens I’d done that exact SYD-BNE-MKY 25 minute connection 3 weeks earlier after a schedule change and after running as fast as my little legs could carry me through the terminal I only just made the MKY flight). I asked if there was really nothing sooner in business class – there were 3 hours until the original flight departure and at least 4 or 5 flights. After a call and some more furious tapping I was given a boarding pass for a flight about 45 minutes later. This flight went out full in business.

I can’t help but wonder if the tactic to solve the overbooking problem was to just make it hard to checkin and invariably someone cutting it fine would miss the checkin cutoff and then the problem would be theirs and not QFs. If you are in the habit of turning up to the airport ~45 minutes before departure - then if you can't OLCI or use the machines, there's a fair chance you aren't going to have a boarding card in your hand before checkin closes. Am I being uncharitable?

I completely understand the need to overbook. But when it doesn’t work out – there are so many better ways to deal with it than this. At least give me a message which says ‘online checkin not available – please see the staff at the airport’. That will at least mean that I don’t waste my time thinking that it might be me or my devices causing the problem.
 
That must have been a little stressful for you, indeed.

And the crazy/silly/stupid thing is that if they had offered you an earlier departure form SYD via the app or on-line check-in, you most likely would have accepted it.

It does seem that in this season of heavily loaded flights, Qantas appears to be removing FF award ticket holders from the heavily booked flights as their first option for dealing with the situation. And in many cases, its being very poorly handled.

I am not certain I draw the same conclusion regarding hoping someone will check-in late. If that was the case, then early check-in would be working and last to check-in would be the one bumped. I think they had already decided you were going to be bumped from your original booked flight, and the system was making assumptions about your travel options (J on next flight with tight connection or Y on your original flight). It appears the computer seems to always assume the passenger must be booked onto a later flight and never an earlier flight.

As has been mentioned before, when there is a choice between conspiracy or incompetence, incompetence is always the winner.
 
It hadn't dawned on me that I was the one selected for bumping - but that makes sense and also explains why ROK and BNE just pushed me down the line earlier in the morning. They didn't want to be the one to break the bad news!

Absolutely if they'd offered me an earlier flight I would have jumped at it. The only reason I was travelling in the first place was to help my wife with the kids and luggage between checkin at ROK and a car in the carpark at SYD. My stay in SYD consisted of walking to P3 carpark and back to the terminal.

I really like flying Qantas - but some of the things they do to (unnecessarily) irritate their customers puzzle me sometimes.

O/T but on that note - on a recent SYD-CNS in reward J - I was booked on the same booking with my wife, 4 year old (and they know he's 4) and lap infant. For some reason we couldn't select seats before the flight (over the course of many months I kept getting the same error message). Then at 23 hours before departure I try to OLCI and discover that the computer has allocated us 2A, 2F and 3D and all the other seats are taken. It took a lot of pushing at checkin to get them to shuffle the seats and let one of us sit next to our 4 year old. When I said that I wasn't prepared to fly unless one of us was sitting next to him, because he is 4 and if there was an emergency I didn't want him being scared witless and some stranger being responsible for helping him with an oxygen mask or lifejacket. The checkin person gave me a look as if to say 'don't be ridiculous'. It was a really big deal to get them to swap my 4 year old from 2F to 3F (so he could sit next to me in 3D). Honestly was the person in 3F really going to vehemently object to moving and sitting in 2F rather than 3F? I really wonder if any of the senior execs realise this is what is going on on the frontline.
 
was the person in 3F really going to vehemently object to moving and sitting in 2F rather than 3F? I really wonder if any of the senior execs realise this is what is going on on the frontline.
Yes. Some really, really do. Some absolutely lose their minds when they get a seat change, even if it is explained to them what the situation is.
 
This is where its always a good idea to check seating allocations at T-80. This is when seats like row 1 become available for selection by Gold and lower status members and can help with ensuring seating together - no guarentees of course, but at least a chance of more options.
 
So....my 0600 BNE-MKY service tomorrow isn't allowing me to do OLCI at T-24. Aside from the fact I only do early flights because it's work (I like my sleep in and a bit of lounge time), I really don't want to be schlepping around BNE for a couple of extra hours till the next flight north.
Called QF, spoke with South Africa, they said I need to call our corporate travel agent to resolve 😑😑
 
So....my 0600 BNE-MKY service tomorrow isn't allowing me to do OLCI at T-24. Aside from the fact I only do early flights because it's work (I like my sleep in and a bit of lounge time), I really don't want to be schlepping around BNE for a couple of extra hours till the next flight north.
Called QF, spoke with South Africa, they said I need to call our corporate travel agent to resolve 😑😑

There's heaps of seats on that flight - there's even a reward seat available, certainly not overbooking.

Sounds like QF is right, it's a ticketing issue which your agent has to fix.
 
There's heaps of seats on that flight - there's even a reward seat available, certainly not overbooking.

Sounds like QF is right, it's a ticketing issue which your agent has to fix.
Thank you for checking that one. Called the agent, they have no idea why there's an issue - flight open, plenty of seats etc etc. Guess I'm heading to BNE earlier than I'd like tomorrow.
 
There's no conspiracy. Flights are full and can be oversold. Of course, it's awful when it happens to you. Because you were on an award you were the first to be bumped. Downgrades happen in order of fare class and status. I don't know your status, but a NB on full fare J won't be bumped, but a WP on award might.

I agree you should have been informed and given options earlier, but perhaps they were hoping for no shows or fly ahead.

Seat selection can be removed by Altea once a cabin reaches 80% allocation which is likely what happened on your flight. While I appreciate you son is four, they are supposed to ask pax if they are happy to switch before moving them. You don't know if there are a couple, family or business colleagues travelling together.

This isn't meant to come across rude, but having a child doesn't entitle you to more than another passenger. Someone could have been travelling with a sick or elderly pax. You never know the other side of the coin.
 
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Turns out my QFLink flight got swapped out for a standard QF flight, but they mucked the e-ticket up. Took the best part of 30 minutes to solve :/
Thank goodness I rocked up 90 minutes before flight, as if I left it any later I probably would have been waiting to be served.

PS - 12 pax on board in Y, 0 in J. Could have done this in a Dash 8...
 
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