Qantas A DISGRACE

[roego]

One mistake we are all making is calling them our National Carrier.

Why they are listed on the stock exchange as a public company. There is no allegiance by Qantas to the Australian people. Why is not Virgin regarded as same.

All of the mechanical failures that are happening are fact, not fiction. Why should not Qantas be reported on and held accountable.
Why is not the Government doing something about the price fixing rorts on freight..Qantas fined millions in USA and officer goes to jail. Fined millions for same in Australia and now millions more in Europe.

How come Joyce and his board members are not being disciplined. How can you believe them? did this all happen without the knowledge of the Board and CEO? If it did they should resign on grounds of incompentency. If they knew about it they should resign on grounds of unconcionable behaviour.
The credit card fees are blatant rip off. Not the behaviour of a so called national carrier, just another private company roobing us.

The new FF rules another rip off.
To me this is not australian behaviour. I thought we believed in a fair go???

 

[samh004]

To answer the national carrier spiel, that’s most likely a holdover from when they actually were owned by the government. You can choose not to call them the national carrier, it’s very easy, though I’d say they’re doing slightly better than Virgin Blue

As for the mechanical issues lately, it does seem they’re having a hard time around their birthday! However you have to look beyond the news to work out what is their fault and what isn’t. A great news site mentioned lately has been the The Aviation Herald, there you’ll see there are many many carriers facing issues daily, and yet you don’t hear about them do you? Seems like there’s a lot of negative spin, do you believe everything you read?

On the price fixing scandals, you do note that they weren’t the only ones, and weren’t making the most out of it, several other carriers did a lot worse out of it. I wouldn’t exactly call it incompetency either, as the price fixing was done to increase shareholder profits, and I think they probably did that. Please bear in mind this also happened between 1999 and 2006, so it doesn’t directly relate to Joyce does it? His predecessor would be the one you have your beef with!

And finally, which FF rules are not favourable to you?

 

[medhead]

Welcome to AFF.

Government not doing anything about price fixing? What besides giving qantas a fine.

 

[farstar]

Virgin had a problem with a plane in Melbourne this week. Should the board be sacked?

I find it hard to believe that anyone would blame Qantas for some of their mechanical issues. How would Qantas guess that after years of making great engines RR would come up with a design that has a major design issue.
Also it is obvious that Qantas employs some of the best pilots in the world as shown by the way they have handled the emergencies the way they did.

 

[Oneworldplus2]

All of the mechanical failures that are happening are fact, not fiction. Why should not Qantas be reported on and held accountable.
Why is not the Government doing something about the price fixing rorts on freight..Qantas fined millions in USA and officer goes to jail. Fined millions for same in Australia and now millions more in Europe.

One post wonder?????

Some of those points you should have researched before you make such accusations. But, that's just my opinion.

The airlines were slugged with more than a billion dollars in fines collectively, and Qantas was fined more than $12 million.

It was Lufthansa that eventually broke ranks and dobbed in the others, thereby escaping a fine itself.

1)Funny that. 11 airlines were embroiled in the price fixing affair (and you only pick out QF).
Lufthansa was the weak one, dobbed in the others to escape from fines itself. That in itself show's what a "rat/dog" LH is.

Lufthansa, Air France-KLM, BA, Cargo-Lux , Air Canada, Singapore Airlines, Lan Chile, SAS, QF, Cathay Pacific, Japan Airlines were all involved. But, you single out Qantas, who also got the smallest fine and might have even played the smallest part in the whole affair.

2) Rolls Royce are contracted to carry out the engine maintenance. What's hard to understand about that? Also noted in another thread is that Singapore Airlines and Lufthansa are still flying A380's that could succumb to the very same problem that affected QF. I would rather fly QF at the moment, because they have taken action to ground faulty equipment (Airbus A380's), unlike the other 2 mentioned above, which will also replace their engines in due time, but could be an "accident waiting to happen" at the moment. I know which airline l would rather be flying with at the moment, yep, QF.

 

[samiam]

This post is almost like double jeopardy... "Why is not....?" & "Why should not...?"

Oh, and it's incompetency, unconscionable and robbing.

Picky, I know, but that post gave me a headache.:evil:

 

[mannej]

I can see a simple answer to your post.

If you don't like Qantas, don't fly them.

Simple as that

 

[pauly7]

One post wonder?????

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Or the DJ PR department are a little bored

 

[Oneworldplus2]

I can see a simple answer to your post.

If you don't like Qantas, don't fly them.

Simple as that

I have friends like that. They constantly whinge about QF, but still fly with them?

Surely that must mean your a fruitcake?

 

[samh004]

One post wonder?????

Or the DJ PR department are a little bored

I made the same mistake, when in fact he has 41 posts, and 1 blog entry. It’s confusing I’ll admit, but roego has been a member for a while.

 

[cirqueboy]

Hey everyone,

Long time lurker here, just joined up recently so this is my first post. I'm prompted to have a say because the OP is so ill informed it beggars belief!

Rather than jump to conclusions, I have taken other members advise and done the research. Obviously there are numerous incidents that occur in aviation around the world every day, for various reasons. Depending on the airline, in could be a systemic problem or sheer bad luck. In case of QF, in the last few weeks, it really IS sheer bad luck. Do a few searches on AV Herald and see what comes up.

As has been said a few times already, and I will say it again because it just needs to be said time and time again:

THE QF PILOTS DID AN AWESOME JOB GETTING THE PLANE DOWN!!!!

For my money, I'd like to have QF pilots on all my flights. Period.

I don't give a toss about the trappings when getting to my destination alive and in one piece is concerned.

We can all bleat on about what FF program does this and that. However, if you are dead, then I'm pretty sure your FF benefits are not worth that much.

QF, after this incident I will fly with you every time. SQ, you lost my business last week.

 

[samh004]

Hey everyone,

Long time lurker here, just joined up recently so this is my first post.

Welcome to AFF!

Glad to have you here, and I hope now you’ve broken through the "lurker to poster" divide you’ll continue to post

 

[markis10]

Welcome to AFF.

Government not doing anything about price fixing? What besides giving qantas a fine.

I made the same mistake, when in fact he has 41 posts, and 1 blog entry. It’s confusing I’ll admit, but roego has been a member for a while.

Makes you wonder how sensitive we have become to one post wonders when we make the mistake of welcoming a member when in fact they were in a position to welcome many of the members posting

In terms of the OPs post, with the exception of the price fixing, I don't really think there is much fault that can be attributed to QF, what can be attributed to them is the lack of fatalities and overhaul excellent planning to rectify delays as promptly as possible. Having been in a job where mistakes cost lives, I know what pressure is like, as a former ATC I have had the odd run in with pilots and the DYKWIA factor, but every time I board a plane and hear that Australian voice I know I am in good hands.

If you look at what the A380 crews are doing right now, you would know that this is a very serious event and QF are doing a great job, other airlines might continue to fly or if grounded send their staff on leave, not QF. I have the full confidence in QF and DJ, which is why I fly with them.

 

[samh004]

Makes you wonder how sensitive we have become to one post wonders when we make the mistake of welcoming a member when in fact they were in a position to welcome many of the members posting

I don’t think I was so much insensitive as trying to set the record straight, as sometimes it appears people do believe everything the hear on TV, or read in the paper, but the confusion about how new he was came about because of a blog post being listed under his avatar, so naturally attention was drawn to that instead of the actual post count just above. That being said, we did offer a kind welcome

 

[medhead]

Makes you wonder how sensitive we have become to one post wonders when we make the mistake of welcoming a member when in fact they were in a position to welcome many of the members posting

Indeed my bad that'll teach me for posting from the iphone app without check details.

But I'm not really repentant because regardless of my welcome, my point remains the same IMO it was a fairly silly post and even on the price fixing was contradictory - 'government doing nothing oh but they fined qantas'. Sorry but if a fine is what the law allows and they have been fined then one cannot say the government has done nothing.

 

[Sprucegoose]

They are not a one post wonder, rather serial complainer!

 

[straitman]

Having just come back from cruising Hawaii and had no AFF time for the last week I have to say wow to this thread.

I agree with most people here that the OP's post seems to be lacking in research and facts but he/she is entitled to their opinion just as people are entitled to respond.

Having said that I see that markis10 has deleted one post but quite frankly there are a few others that are on the line and I ask people to think a little more before they throw hand grenades in future.

cirqueboy,

Welcome to AFF and thanks for the insight.

 

[Egg]

1)Funny that. 11 airlines were embroiled in the price fixing affair (and you only pick out QF).
Lufthansa was the weak one, dobbed in the others to escape from fines itself. That in itself show's what a "rat/dog" LH is.

So rather than criticising Qantas for its involvement in price-gouging, you lay blame at Lufthansa for exposing it? I know alot of posters are of the view that Qantas can do no wrong (except when it comes to program "enhancements" that actually affect alot of the ppl on here) but even Qantas admitted their fault on this one and pleaded guilty. Why do you think it would have been a better outcome if Lufthansa kept quiet and the price-gouging continued?

As for the OP, some ideas might be a little outlandish, but I do agree that Qantas is just a company that looks after its own interests and its own bottom line above all else - as is its right of course - which can tend to be obfuscated by this "national carrier" concept and the idea that it is unpatriotic to criticise Qantas.

 

[Oneworldplus2]

I made the same mistake, when in fact he has 41 posts, and 1 blog entry. It’s confusing I’ll admit, but roego has been a member for a while.

Same with me. I think that l have dyslexia at times, lol.

 

[cirqueboy]

Just on the "National Airline" thing, it's a fair comment to say that QF is representative of Australia, in the same way BA is of the UK, SQ is of Singapore, LH is of Germany etc..