Domestic flying in Japan, my observations & experiences

Nick C.

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Visitors to Japan are rightly impressed by its excellent trains. But I always thought domestic flying in that country is an interesting experience and often overlooked.

Having travelled there many times for 15+ years, I provide my observations based ONLY on personal experience - I don't intend for it be a comprehensive guide.


First the negatives - uninspiring on-time performance & in-flight service:

Japan is known for it's punctuality and the trains leave on-time to the second. The planes on the other hand are like any other country. Not that Japan has a particular problem with delays. I guess it's just like flying in any other first world country. Unfortunately, even the most punctual people in the world can't control the weather and other unforeseen events.

The lack of in-flight service on the major carriers is odd. It consists of 1 non-alcoholic beverage. That's it. No buy-on-board either. You do get the full-service benefits of FF programmes and baggage.

Ironically, substantial in-flight food & bev is only provided by the LCC's (for a fee of course).

Also, regarding domestic lounges, I have never used any of them. But if the various lounge review websites are to be believed, they are sad.


Flight times and as-the-crow-flies distances can be impressive compared to the trains:

On a recent trip from Tokyo to Nagasaki, I realised that even the best rail itinerary would take 6 hours. So the 2 hour flight was a no-brainer. There are many, many "city pairs" where flying is easily the best option. In fact, some of the city pairs where flying is faster have become some of the busiest air routes in the world (such as Tokyo-Sapporo and Tokyo-Fukuoka).


Big planes, small distances:

This is well-known so I won't go into it much. Also, I beleive all the domestic 747's have been retired.

But the experience I recently had of a 1 hour flight on a near-empty 777 was still unique. They also have many short 767 routes so fans of that plane will not be disappointed.


Incredible observation decks:

The domestic airports for Tokyo and Osaka (Haneda & Itami) have amazing observation decks (I expect other airports throughout the country do also, although I've never had enough time to find out). If you go through Haneda or Itami, allow plenty of time - you will not regret it.


$20 business class:

On a recent domestic flight on JAL I paid just $20 more each way for J class.

There is no food or lounge access. But you do get a bigger seat, as well as the usual boarding/disembarking efficiency. Also the J class status/mileage benefits of your FF programme.


Airlines are trying to attract tourists:

JAL has VERY discounted fares for tourists. You need to enter your international ticket number and it magically knows that you are a visitor (presumably based on the fact you have a return ticket OUT of the country within 90 days). Good value but note that this fare class offers NO points on the major FF programmes e.g. Qantas.


In summary, if you go to Japan for the first time, just enjoy the trains. But if you want to go further afield, flying domestically there is a fun (usually) experience and so different to many other countries.
 
Yes TYO-CTS frequency puts SYD-MEL to shame. So long as travel is within Honshu, I believe rail to be more efficient. Are there airport pairs within Honshu which are quicker (on a door to door basis)

For an occasional traveller to Japan, rail allows the traveller to see more
 
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Yes indeed. I've been to Japan quite a few times and do enjoy flying domestically there. The lounges (ANA are the ones I visit) are fairly basic, but I don't mind the beer and Japanese whisky. There are also a few snacks available. And it's worth noting that there are quite a few places in Japan that trains don't go (such as Okinawa (OKA) and Ishigaki (ISG)).

I'm heading off to Japan again in August for 2 weeks (it will be hot) on a UA business class award ticket which cost 111,000 MP miles in total. The itinerary is:
- CBR-OOL (VA), OOL-SYD (VA), SYD-HND (NH), HND-MYJ (NH), MYJ-ITM (NH), ITM-KMI (NH), KMI-cough (NH), cough-OKA (NH), OKA-ISG (NH), ISG- OKA (NH), OKA-KIX (NH), KIX-TPE (BR), TPE-BNE (BR), BNE-CBR (VA).

Should be interesting, as I haven't been to Matsuyama or Miyazaki before and I'm getting a 3-day Southern Kyushu JR rail pass to have a good look around. I might even post a mini trip report....
 
We have flown domestically to both Hokkaido and Okinawa. Will be going to Hokkaido again in mid 2024 and once again will fly there and back.
Not only less time but cheaper than the train if using the Shinkansen to Hakodate.
 
Yes TYO-CTS frequency puts SYD-MEL to shame. So long as travel is within Honshu, I believe rail to be more efficient. Are there airport pairs within Honshu which are quicker (on a door to door basis)

For an occasional traveller to Japan, rail allows the traveller to see more

I randomly looked up Tokyo -> Aomori... bullet train is 3 hrs 19 minutes whereas flying is 1 hr 15 mins (Haneda). Still seems competitive even with the usual door-to-door disadvantage of flying.

Speaking of TOK-CTS I hear they are building a shinkansen all the way to Sapporo. I recently got the Shinkansen from Tokyo to Hokkaido (Hakodate). VERY impressive 40km+ undersea. But it seemed like a White Elephant with flying being vastly more economical. Mainly overseas tourists with rail passes on the train. Largely empty.

You have to wonder if a Sapporo to Tokyo bullet train is a White Elephant when flights are so plentiful.

Instructively, the train was VERY busy on Sendai-Tokyo where the train makes more sense than flying!
 
^ Given that Japan has a lot of nuclear energy & hence their electric trains are about a billionty times more environmentally-friendly than flying with current technology, one wonders whether they’re planning on doing a France and just ditching flights to places you can get to via train?
 
Take your own booze on domestic flights. It‘s legal and even encouraged. lol. Couldnot believe it.
lack of refreshment options onboard is decidedly underwheliming.
agree with everything you have said,
thankfully flights are not long.
 
Speaking of TOK-CTS I hear they are building a shinkansen all the way to Sapporo. I recently got the Shinkansen from Tokyo to Hokkaido (Hakodate). VERY impressive 40km+ undersea. But it seemed like a White Elephant with flying being vastly more economical. Mainly overseas tourists with rail passes on the train. Largely empty.

You have to wonder if a Sapporo to Tokyo bullet train is a White Elephant when flights are so plentiful.

Instructively, the train was VERY busy on Sendai-Tokyo where the train makes more sense than flying!
I expect that once the shinkansen extension to Sapporo is complete (2030 last I checked), there will be fewer flights on the Tokyo-Sapporo route.
I've known people who have taken Tokyo-Hakadate shinkansen day trips.
 
Should be interesting, as I haven't been to Matsuyama or Miyazaki before and I'm getting a 3-day Southern Kyushu JR rail pass to have a good look around. I might even post a mini trip report....
Please do - we will be heading to Kyushu in Feb 2024 and I'd love your tips and experiences for the planning stage.
 
I randomly looked up Tokyo -> Aomori... bullet train is 3 hrs 19 minutes whereas flying is 1 hr 15 mins (Haneda). Still seems competitive even with the usual door-to-door disadvantage of flying.

Speaking of TOK-CTS I hear they are building a shinkansen all the way to Sapporo. I recently got the Shinkansen from Tokyo to Hokkaido (Hakodate). VERY impressive 40km+ undersea. But it seemed like a White Elephant with flying being vastly more economical. Mainly overseas tourists with rail passes on the train. Largely empty.

You have to wonder if a Sapporo to Tokyo bullet train is a White Elephant when flights are so plentiful.

Instructively, the train was VERY busy on Sendai-Tokyo where the train makes more sense than flying!

The dark bits are where the train is more than 30 minutes slower.
 
That happened this year in late January in Japan. Lots of air pax got stranded in airports. Don't know how the trains were affected though.
Happens EVERY year...on Qantas or JAL you normally get a Hotel and/or some assistance with snow delays, Jetstar you get the floor. Im sure the trains would be LESS affected but haven't travelled on it yet.
 
Some trains get impacted by snow more then others.
I've only been in Japan when there was snow once, and I didn't go near the snow.

Typhoons however...
One trip, I was in Tokyo the night a typhoon came through. Didn't notice anything major that night, but the next morning I had a flight from HND to JFK via HKG.

I was staying at the Shinagawa Prince Hotel (which had become sold out that day so all the office workers could be near work for the next morning), about 20 mins away from the airport. I was on the train to the airport, when the wind picked up and the train stopped. Waited for a few minutes then pulled into the next station. Just announcements of delays. I found some other people on the train who were headed to the same flight.
I got off the train and went looking for road transport (a taxi). A line had built up for the few taxis coming to the station. When I was walking back into the station (having confirmed the line was for taxis), I ran into the other CX pax and we found a local bus to the airport.
We got to the check in just as they were packing up to leave, having already closed the flight. They rebooked us on the spot.

Though I also had a AA domestic flight JFK-BOS connecting from my CX flight, on another ticket. With the changed CX flight, I'd now miss the AA flight. This was when AA was trying their old HND night slot and their flight had been delayed by the storm so it was still there. After explaining what had happened, they rebooked my JFK-BOS. If I had waited until I was in New York to sort that out, I would have been screwed.
 
Take your own booze on domestic flights. It‘s legal and even encouraged. lol. Couldnot believe it.
lack of refreshment options onboard is decidedly underwheliming.
agree with everything you have said,
thankfully flights are not long.
Japan is the home of the bento and the one cup sake. Lack of inflight service is a feature not a bug.
 

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