Disappointed with Singapore Airlines

kenkong

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Just wanted to share my recent disappointments with SIA.

Where to start-

-When trying to originally book flights there was no availability showing from Amsterdam to Australia, however when looking at the individual legs it showed availability. Long story short spent over an hour and a half with a combination of hold time and trying to explain the situation to the call center, having to email screen shots of my computer showing availability (seriously this is a joke-why can't they just check their own system??). Eventually got the seats but was a totally unprofessional and unnecessary waste of my time.

-Booked over 20 waitlist flights from Europe to Australia around 7 months ago, not a single one cleared which isn't necessarily a problem however when some of your family have to fly economy as a result it was very frustrating to then see 8 vacant business class seats (and 4 first class) on the flights that didn't clear...Why do they cancel uncleared waitlists two weeks out? If they are waiting to see if they sell why not wait until the day before and then clear any remaining waitlists etc?

J class flight out of Amsterdam-got told at check in the lounge was being renovated and had to go to a cafe instead. The cafe was a disgrace, tiny dingy little room with barely enough seats for 30 people. Had to wait for 20 minutes in a line to get in. The only hot food on offer was a chicken stew and noodles. Other than that there was bread, croissants and muesli. No bathroom, had to exit and walk to use the public rest rooms. Seriously embarrassing, when they are charging $9K for a one-way flight to think this offering is in any way acceptable was mind boggling. There was no apology offered let alone some sort of recompense for the substandard facility provided.

Also received a call from SIA 30 mins before departure wanting to know if we would mind swapping our economy tickets to a later flight out of Singapore as they had over booked. Told them no problem and asked if they could get us a window seat. Said they would call back but never did. So I was unsure if they had swapped our flight, if we would have to visit the transit desk in Singapore etc. Starting to stress out I called them back, on hold for 20 mins, spoke to someone who had a very poor grasp of English and had no idea what I was talking about. Not the sort of experience or stress required when about to board. Got charged $75 euros form the hotel for the phone call to SIA...just great.

All in all left a bitter taste in my mouth. The flight crew as always were absolutely amazing, and the on board food from Singapore to Australia was incredible (food from Amsterdam to Singapore was terrible, distinct difference in quality).
 
When trying to originally book flights there was no availability showing from Amsterdam to Australia, however when looking at the individual legs it showed availability. Long story short spent over an hour and a half with a combination of hold time and trying to explain the situation to the call center, having to email screen shots of my computer showing availability (seriously this is a joke-why can't they just check their own system??). Eventually got the seats but was a totally unprofessional and unnecessary waste of my time.

On this aspect consider yourself very lucky. For both commercial and award bookings there is a thing called “married sectors” which means that availability for connecting flights can be different to the individual flights (and it can work both ways … individual sectors available but not overall journey and vice versa overall journey but not one or more individual sectors.). Few agents seem trained well enough to explain this and sounds like you got lucky with someone who could or was willing to get approval override this.

With this and the waitlists not coming through, it’s all part of the black art of yield management.
 
Sorry to hear the frustration!

But to answer a few things…

Airlines control award inventory, including which combinations of flights they are willing to sell. Just because there’s availability on individual sectors it doesn’t mean you can combine those sectors for a through ticket.

All airlines do this! Not just SQ. You may see AMS-SIN and SIN-SYD available separately, but that doesn’t mean you can get AMS-SYD.

Airlines may or may not release seats close to departure. They know how many last minute sales they might make and hold those seats accordingly. People do buy last-minute fares. And if seats go out empty, that’s a way of controlling their revenue. If every seats was released as an award seat close to departure, who would pay full fare? We’d all just wait until last minute. It’s a careful balance.

The US is different, they do release all remaining seats for upgrades, based on status. But it’s fairly unique to north america.

The lounge in amsterdam is dire. Not just star alliance, but oneworld too. BA only has access to a cafe as well :( KLM is the only decent lounge AFAIK, but surprised the star alliance lounge is undergoing renovations given it only recently opened?

Hopefully you will get some good compensation for the overbooked flight. Friends of mine were in a similar situation and got a one way free upgrade to business class for a later trip!
 
I understand them wanting to wait to see if anyone buys the J class seats, but to cancel all waitlists two weeks out is just silly.

Surely they could review the day of/ or the day before. Id imagine there wouldn't be a huge amount of full fare people buying first class/business class literally hours before departure...

By using this approach they could have accommodated my (and others waitlists) and solved their overbooked economy issues, avoiding having to pay compensation to get people to move flights, and made people like me happy...
 
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I understand them wanting to wait to see if anyone buys the J class seats, but to cancel all waitlists two weeks out is just silly.

Surely they could review the day of/ or the day before. Id imagine there wouldn't be a huge amount of full fare people buying first class/business class literally hours before departure...

By using this approach they could have accommodated my (and others waitlists) and solved their overbooked economy issues, avoiding having to pay compensation to get people to move flights, and made people like me happy...

The other side to the argument is that it gives people certainty. By closing the waitlist two weeks out, at least people know and can make other plans.

Otherwise people would say, ‘the waitlist is still open, you have 4 seats for sale, why won’t you let me on?’

Closing the waitlist doesn’t prevent you from changing your current itinerary if award seats become available last minute. It just means you have to proactively manage it and keep checking.
 
The other side to the argument is that it gives people certainty. By closing the waitlist two weeks out, at least people know and can make other plans.

Otherwise people would say, ‘the waitlist is still open, you have 4 seats for sale, why won’t you let me on?’

Closing the waitlist doesn’t prevent you from changing your current itinerary if award seats become available last minute. It just means you have to proactively manage it and keep checking.

I doubt many if any people would be relying soley on a waitlist to clear two weeks out without having made other arrangements?

I had certainty-I had a mixture of business and economy flights booked 7 months out.

Are you saying waitlist flights can appear in the two weeks prior to departure? After mine were all canceled, I just assumed that was that I didn't check again..?
 
The other side to the argument is that it gives people certainty. By closing the waitlist two weeks out, at least people know and can make other plans.

Yes this was the argument they used when they implemented that. I preferred the old way, as unlike most on here, we tend to finalise our travel arrangements on the go, not 11.5 months in advance, so it worked well for us.

I remember one trip I had booked and had SIN-FRA overnight flight booked, but <24 hrs before departure LHR day flight waitlist confirmed, so took that instead, and figured out the rest of the trip from there (stake in the ground was MUC-SIN award flight 8 days later).
 
Are you saying waitlist flights can appear in the two weeks prior to departure? After mine were all canceled, I just assumed that was that I didn't check again..?

I not sure it’s that common, and SQ does let cabins go out less than full.
 
I understand them wanting to wait to see if anyone buys the J class seats, but to cancel all waitlists two weeks out is just silly.
The automatic 14 day cancellation was introduced in 2019 and I much preferred the old system as we tend to book around 11-12 months in advance. I am not sure if you can still do this and it may depend on status but in the past I have called SQ and requested a 'chaser' to get seats confirmed.
 
The automatic 14 day cancellation was introduced in 2019 and I much preferred the old system as we tend to book around 11-12 months in advance. I am not sure if you can still do this and it may depend on status but in the past I have called SQ and requested a 'chaser' to get seats confirmed.
I thought chasers were a big no no now? When you call they have a pre recording advising to not do it basically, so I thought Id just wait patiently.

Anyways like I mentioned I don't necessarily have a problem with waitlists not clearing-that's life. But when they are sending out sections 30% empty it would appear they could implement a much better process that would benefit everyone.

That and the absolutely disgraceful lounge situation in Amsterdam (and Melbourne...)
 
But when they are sending out sections 30% empty it would appear they could implement a much better process that would benefit everyone.
How will it benefit SQ once passengers catch on that they don't have to pay cash because they can get award seats at the last minute by waitlisting on lightly loaded flights?
 
If separate reward bookings are available, why not just book them separately and ask them to check in luggage through to the final destination? I thought this was a viable strategy.
 
If separate reward bookings are available, why not just book them separately and ask them to check in luggage through to the final destination? I thought this was a viable strategy.
I think most people are deterred by the higher cost.
 
How will it benefit SQ once passengers catch on that they don't have to pay cash because they can get award seats at the last minute by waitlisting on lightly loaded flights?

I thought my suggestion was quite clear and logical-keep the process as is, people still have to buy a ticket or take a wait list. But then 1 day out if they haven't sold the fares then they should look at clearing waitlists...How many people do you think are going to hedge their whole trip on a waitlist clearing one day out??

You do realise that reward seats are a major money spinner for airlines, they aren't giving them away for free...
 
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If separate reward bookings are available, why not just book them separately and ask them to check in luggage through to the final destination? I thought this was a viable strategy.
I've done this is the past and it isn't worth the headache of arguing with a check in agent who refuses to do this. Yes I have had times where this has happened and I have had to collect my bags and re check in...
 
Isn't that the whole frequent flyer proposition? Why would anyone pay for a ticket if they can get award seats...

I thought my suggestion was quite clear and logical-keep the process as is, people still have to buy a ticket or take a wait list. But then 1 day out if they haven't sold the fares then they should look at clearing waitlists...

What they instead do is to release seats into the award pool.

>14 days in theory if they release seats they go to those on waitlist for the flight and any left over into general availability.
<14 days any released seats would be available for booking on website or over phone. On the flights you saw there may (or may not) have been last minute award seats available, but as pointed out above you need to check regularly if you want to achieve this.
 
Why would anyone pay for a ticket if they can get award seats...
Exactly.
But then 1 day out if they haven't sold the fares then they should look at clearing waitlists...
Which allows you to predict with some confidence the probability of getting an award seat and not have to pay.
You do realise that reward seats are a major money spinner for airlines, they aren't giving them away for free..
Then why are they so stingy with award seats? If award seats are such a major money spinner then they should release as many award seats as the passenger wants.
 
Exactly.

Which allows you to predict with some confidence the probability of getting an award seat and not have to pay.

Then why are they so stingy with award seats? If award seats are such a major money spinner then they should release as many award seats as the passenger wants.

Rubbish, you would have no more certainty of a waitlist clearing 1 day out than you would 2 weeks out.

Airlines make money ( a lot..) by selling credit card companies points. People sign up with credit card companies to get points. If seats are largely unavailable the value of points become largely worthless as does the incentive to sign up for a credit card...
 
Airlines make money ( a lot..) by selling credit card companies points. People sign up with credit card companies to get points. If seats are largely unavailable the value of points become largely worthless as does the incentive to sign up for a credit card...
Yet people still chase points.

I was never going to be a premium Flyer (happy down the back) but I've given up chasing points. Not worth the trouble and the stress.
 
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