Could you land the plane in an emergency? No!

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You are on a flight when you learn that the pilots have fallen ill and can no longer fly the plane. A voice comes over the public address system, asking for a volunteer to help land the aircraft.
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“There is a zero percent chance of someone pulling that off,” said Patrick Smith, a commercial air pilot and founder of the Ask the Pilot blog. “Do people think they can perform transplant surgery? No. Then why do they think they can land a plane?”

So have you ever had the fantasy that you could land the plane in an emergency?
Did this article change your mind?

It will be interesting to hear from our pilots how realistic they consider this story actually is compared to their real life experience.
 
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I think if they are a qualified pilot (of any type) - maybe with the right coaching it's possible.

For the average pax, not a chance.
 
I know I couldn't, not in a commercial aircraft anyway! In my Skydiving days we had a bunch of jumpers who were quite scared of flying. To help them out 2 of our Drop Zone pilots ran a little "How it works" session for the whole group, on the principle that "Knowledge dispels fear" When asked "What do you do if the pilot dies/faints/etc?" (besides jumping out and leaving him to his fate of course;)) the advice given was to throttle back... keep the wings level, and by adjusting pitch, keep the speed between (IIRC) 40 and 60 knots (something like that anyway). Our pilots said if you manage that, the impact should be completely survivable. Now we were operating over a very large, flat area (sheep paddocks mainly) so no real obstructions to worry about...AND the aircraft was a Cessna 172 Skyhawk. Not exactly large OR heavy. I am certain NONE of that advice is applicable to a large aircraft that needs a proper runway!!! 😆
 
These are always somewhat hilarious, but the number who think they could is surprising. I’d put the figure at a just a couple of percent, and they’d be young gamers.
So have you ever had the fantasy that you could land the plane in an emergency?
Did this article change your mind?
I once took a friend, who was a very avid MS Flight Sim gamer to the 747-400 sim. I’ll admit that he did better than I expected, ‘cos at least he knew where most of the buttons were, and what they did, but manually flying..he did far worse than he expected. He, at least, knew how to set up an autoland.

Some of you will say that you’ve had a go in the QF sim, and got a great landing. Well, that’s because the sim instructors turn off the motion just before your landing, so they’re all great.
It will be interesting to hear from our pilots how realistic they consider this story actually is compared to their real life experience.
Looking back at basic flying training at Pt Cook, the only students who would manage a landing on their first attempt (and this is with an instructor right next to them, and having learnt all of the numbers, etc) were the ones who had already flown. And even if they had a licence it wasn’t guaranteed. It’s always amusing when people talk about getting ATC’s help. Firstly they’re unlikely to have any knowledge of flying or the aircraft, and secondly, and perhaps most importantly, how do you actually talk to them?
…. the advice given was to throttle back... keep the wings level, and by adjusting pitch, keep the speed between (IIRC) 40 and 60 knots (something like that anyway). Our pilots said if you manage that, the impact should be completely survivable.
It would be a better outcome than other possibilities, but it’s still going to be a 120 kph accident, in a structure that is nowhere near as rigid as even a cheap car, and without things like airbags. Just keeping wings level is something many have immense difficulty with.

The upshot is that if you hear the autopilot disconnect alarm, then you’re dead.
 
I'd probably be amused by his landing instructions, but going by the price, it's his get rich quick scheme.
 
I'd probably be amused by his landing instructions, but going by the price, it's his get rich quick scheme.

I think it's just that price because it's out of print.

A friend of mine was given it at a bucks party about 15 years ago, I think it was pretty cheap back then.
 
I’m going to give myself about 40-50% chance of success, but, BUT, it would have to be on a journey where I already know something about the destination and by default, the usual flight journey. AND, I’m giving myself decent weather so that I can see ground references such as you know, an airport! Even without knowing how to operate the nav systems / program the FMC, I hope I’d be able to DR my way somewhere near the destination. (route is x long; been airborne for y minutes; doing 7 to 8 miles a minute etc etc etc; right there’s Melbourne so MEL will be somewhere over there and AVV will be out there to the right…)

Now I say that as having previously landed real C172 and PA32s, as well as getting the KB707 and F/A-18 sims on the ground without tooooo much of a shake. 🙃

C’mon, it’s not like it’s rocket surgery!
 
I have high confidence of getting it on the ground

We all could be confident of doing that 🫣

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We all could be confident of doing that 🫣

Oh gosh what a disaster that was .. I would hope to do better than that...
 
We all could be confident of doing that 🫣

Oh gosh what a disaster that was .. I would hope to do better than that...
Actually the death toll was less than what is generally remembered. Of the 97 passengers and crew on board there were 35 fatalities plus 1 groundcrew death.
 
These are always somewhat hilarious, but the number who think they could is surprising. I’d put the figure at a just a couple of percent, and they’d be young gamers.

I once took a friend, who was a very avid MS Flight Sim gamer to the 747-400 sim. I’ll admit that he did better than I expected, ‘cos at least he knew where most of the buttons were, and what they did, but manually flying..he did far worse than he expected. He, at least, knew how to set up an autoland.

Some of you will say that you’ve had a go in the QF sim, and got a great landing. Well, that’s because the sim instructors turn off the motion just before your landing, so they’re all great.

Looking back at basic flying training at Pt Cook, the only students who would manage a landing on their first attempt (and this is with an instructor right next to them, and having learnt all of the numbers, etc) were the ones who had already flown. And even if they had a licence it wasn’t guaranteed. It’s always amusing when people talk about getting ATC’s help. Firstly they’re unlikely to have any knowledge of flying or the aircraft, and secondly, and perhaps most importantly, how do you actually talk to them?

It would be a better outcome than other possibilities, but it’s still going to be a 120 kph accident, in a structure that is nowhere near as rigid as even a cheap car, and without things like airbags. Just keeping wings level is something many have immense difficulty with.

The upshot is that if you hear the autopilot disconnect alarm, then you’re dead.
So have you ever thought how you would approach the situation where you were on the other end of a radio to someone who ended up sitting up-front trying to land (say for example a 767) aircraft with incapacitated pilots?

What would you tell them and what would you ask them?

Assuming, of course, that they knew some basic flying concepts (maybe had flown a light aircraft or were an avid gamer)?

And I guess that would start with telling them how to locate and use the radio "push-to-talk" and the fact that its not the big red button on the control column.
 
So have you ever thought how you would approach the situation where you were on the other end of a radio to someone who ended up sitting up-front trying to land (say for example a 767) aircraft with incapacitated pilots?
I once asked a CSM, who shared the strange belief that he could land the aircraft, just how he'd start off. So, got him to look around, and pick any button that he though would be useful, and when he was ready, we'd push it. So, dutifully pushed it, and he was rewarded with the extremely loud sound of the autopilot disconnect wailer. So, now there's two problem, manual flying, and needing to get rid of the noise before he can hear anything.

Through the use of the MCP (the panel along the top of the dash), you can directly control the autopilot. In this instance heading, speed, and flight level change and/or vertical speed would be your friends. You'd need to go into the FMC to select a runway, and ILS, but then the buttons to make it carry out the intercept are also on the MCP. So, if you could talk on the radio, to someone who was in the same aircraft type (or knew it absolutely backwards), and if the autopilot NEVER disengaged, and there were no false starts or finger trouble, you might get away with it. That is, of course, exactly what Mentour does in the first part of his video.
Assuming, of course, that they knew some basic flying concepts (maybe had flown a light aircraft or were an avid gamer)?
If they're in a light aircraft, I won't be any help at all.
And I guess that would start with telling them how to locate and use the radio "push-to-talk" and the fact that its not the big red button on the control column.
And there lies the rub. How can I start will telling them how to locate the PTT button, without them already knowing how to use the PTT button?
 
If they're in a light aircraft, I won't be any help at all.
I was suggesting the passenger may have some light experience, and now captive in an aircraft type of which you are familiar.
And there lies the rub. How can I start will telling them how to locate the PTT button, without them already knowing how to use the PTT button?
Again, a big assumption, but perhaps somehow the message has gone to ATC that the aircraft is in distress (inflight internet access perhaps?) and passenger in row-0 manages to don the pilots comms headset so can hear, but does not touch anything until instructed by experienced pilot. Or perhaps the instructions are via Skype call over in-flight internet service?

Of course, the chances of all this aligning to result in a positive outcome is very low. But we know what the alternate result will be - the person now flying the aircraft will have all the skills required to get the aircraft to the ground and indeed will arrive exactly at the crash site.
 
Through the use of the MCP (the panel along the top of the dash), you can directly control the autopilot. In this instance heading, speed, and flight level change and/or vertical speed would be your friends. You'd need to go into the FMC to select a runway, and ILS, but then the buttons to make it carry out the intercept are also on the MCP. So, if you could talk on the radio, to someone who was in the same aircraft type (or knew it absolutely backwards), and if the autopilot NEVER disengaged, and there were no false starts or finger trouble, you might get away with it. That is, of course, exactly what Mentour does in the first part of his video.

The company for which I work, which operates aircraft somewhat smaller than an airliner, has a pilot incapacitation procedure which essentially follows this approach - if efforts to optimise the pilot for 1 last landing aren’t successful and risk is then outweighed by desired benefit. It includes the cabin crew member using an auxiliary mic to communicate with ATC & company, hands off the control column, and being talked through setting up a wheels-up autoland.
 
I've sat up front in a Beaver on a joyflight, and as a lapsed PPL (C152/172 , VFR only) and had thought about this question. When we actually got to flying though, I found a few things terrified me: 1) there was only one control column - it appeared there was a mechanism to switch it to the right seat, but I had no idea how to release/operate that mechanism if I needed, 2) the propeller condition levers scared me, having never operated any kind of variable pitch prop I'd have no idea what to do there, and 3) the manual flaps lever was totally foreign to me and I probably would have screwed it up, and 4) the minor deal that this was a floatplane, and even if I managed some kind of reasonable approach to the water runway, the chances I could actually land without overturning would be pretty minimal!

Maybe in a jet I'd have at least the advantage that I know how to use an aviation radio, and someone might be able to walk me through programming the autopilot and FMC as described above - but I note the important problem of distinguishing between the autopilot disconnect and PTT button. There was a commercial 737 sim near me that I had been meaning to try - maybe will do one day.
 
…..and being talked through setting up a wheels-up autoland.
I wonder how far they’ve tested that. Some aircraft will ultimately disconnect the autopilot if not correctly configured for landing and at a very low level. Be a bit sad to be looking good, but then at 100’ have the autopilot dump it back into your hands, and very likely with a strong nose up out of trim situation as well (because some aircraft put in quite lot of nose up trim, as a safety measure in case of accidental disconnect). I see no reason not to put the gear down. The autothrottle will handle the drag change, and if you’re worried about the braking side of it, then many have some form of autobrake, which is a very simple dial selection.
 
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